[CDN_PATRIOT]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Because it's bullshit.

Why not give the soldiers the courtesy and respect that have allowed them to live in a fantastic country like Canada?

We've been having Remembrance Day services for a very long time, all of a sudden it's against some "religion"? Bullshit.

Why is it that we as Canadians bend over to accommodate everyone while those we are accommodating do little to acknowledge or respect Canadian culture and values?

A point that I have been contesting for years now with everybody/anybody. To quote a figure from our past:

$1:

In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who
comes here in good faith becomes a Canadian and
assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's
becoming in every facet a Canadian, and nothing but a
Canadian...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any
man who says he is a Canadian, but something else also,
isn't an Canadian at all. We have room for but one flag, the
Canadian flag. We have room for but one language here,
and that is the English language.. And we have room for but
one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Canadian people.

Wilfred Laurier, 1907.

-J.

[andyt]

Why are you assuming the people who object to attending the ceremonies are immigrants? Someone mentioned Mormons - they've been here a while. My guess is some are JW's, same thing.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Why are you assuming the people who object to attending the ceremonies are immigrants? Someone mentioned Mormons - they've been here a while. My guess is some are JW's, same thing.

Duh.

If you've been here for a while, why is this an issue now? Did the religion change? Do Mormons all of a sudden have issues with remembering our soldiers?

What group of people was it over in the UK that were burning poppies holding signs that read 'Soldiers Burn in Hell'? Wasn't the Mormons.

[andyt]

You have any evidence at all that Muslims are behind this? I doubt it.

As I said, parents who felt strongly before this policy would have just kept their kids out of school for the whole day. Just as JW's would keep the kid out of school for any Christmas pageant or anything to do with Halloween.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Then you're not much into freedom I guess. You're more into the freedom to think like you.

Freedom is a two way street, Gun.

Freedom doesn't mean one person has a point of view and all others must fall in line behind them. Just as these people are very much within their rights to pull their kids from these events, we are within our rights to disagree with them. I don't agree with it or respect their decision. I do respect their right to have a view, but I don't have to agree with it.

Where do we draw the line?

What if my son really isn't into math, can he just walk out every time they discuss math? What if a family is racist, can they just instruct their kids to stand in the hallway during any mention of black history?

So, if this is so important, the honoring of or vets and the sacrifices they've made to preserve our freedom, do you not only support mandatory appearances by the kids at school Rememberance day assemblies but do you also support compulsory attendance by adults and furthermore, since the preservation of our freedoms is so important to you as to demand the kids attend assemblies, do you also support mandatory military service to preserve these freedoms as well?

[bootlegga]

Gunnair Gunnair:

martin14 martin14:

As usual, bad ideas.

From the same group that brings you 'no zeros'.

Wtf are people doing in Alberta ?

Agreed...bad idea.

Freedom, however, allows for them even if we don't like it.

I'd rep if I could.

The EPSB is full of bad ideas of late, but I have to agree with you.

Freedom means just that, and you have to accept that sometimes people won't agree with your POV.

[martin14]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

g for years now with everybody/anybody. To quote a figure from our past:

$1:

...We have room for but one language here,
and that is the English language..

Wilfred Laurier, 1907.

-J.

Gotta say it.

I highly doubt Sir Wilfrid Laurier, first francophone PM from Quebec,
would have said such a thing as only English.
Just doesnt wash.

I agree 100% with the rest though.

[andyt]

This opting out option is part of the Alberta School act. Presumably been in place for some time. Why the fuss now?

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Why are you assuming the people who object to attending the ceremonies are immigrants? Someone mentioned Mormons - they've been here a while. My guess is some are JW's, same thing.

Funny - 16000 people live in Esquimalt where I attend services. 16000 people don't show up.

Are the other 15000 or so immigrants?

[martin14]

Gunnair Gunnair:

So, if this is so important, the honoring of or vets and the sacrifices they've made to preserve our freedom, do you not only support mandatory appearances by the kids at school Rememberance day assemblies but do you also support compulsory attendance by adults and furthermore, since the preservation of our freedoms is so important to you as to demand the kids attend assemblies, do you also support mandatory military service to preserve these freedoms as well?

ummmmm... YEAH !!!

[martin14]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

Why are you assuming the people who object to attending the ceremonies are immigrants? Someone mentioned Mormons - they've been here a while. My guess is some are JW's, same thing.

Funny - 16000 people live in Esquimalt where I attend services. 16000 people don't show up.

Are the other 15000 or so immigrants?

When I went to the commemoration of HMCS Esquimalt, 15990 people didn't show up.

Pretty sad.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

Why are you assuming the people who object to attending the ceremonies are immigrants? Someone mentioned Mormons - they've been here a while. My guess is some are JW's, same thing.

Duh.

If you've been here for a while, why is this an issue now? Did the religion change? Do Mormons all of a sudden have issues with remembering our soldiers?

What group of people was it over in the UK that were burning poppies holding signs that read 'Soldiers Burn in Hell'? Wasn't the Mormons.

Huh. A few people chimed in not to long ago about freedom of speech - even that which we disagree with (like 15 year old girls deserving to die because they are weak) I wonder what their take in that example would be?

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

Gunnair Gunnair:

So, if this is so important, the honoring of or vets and the sacrifices they've made to preserve our freedom, do you not only support mandatory appearances by the kids at school Rememberance day assemblies but do you also support compulsory attendance by adults and furthermore, since the preservation of our freedoms is so important to you as to demand the kids attend assemblies, do you also support mandatory military service to preserve these freedoms as well?

ummmmm... YEAH !!!

Wonder how many of our irate posters demanding we respect the vets and the freedoms they fought for are willing to uniform up under compulsory service.

Not many, I bet.

OTI, Can Pat, thoughts? How about removing that freedom in order to preserve Canadian freedom?

[OnTheIce]

Gunnair Gunnair:

So, if this is so important, the honoring of or vets and the sacrifices they've made to preserve our freedom, do you not only support mandatory appearances by the kids at school Rememberance day assemblies but do you also support compulsory attendance by adults and furthermore, since the preservation of our freedoms is so important to you as to demand the kids attend assemblies, do you also support mandatory military service to preserve these freedoms as well?

To be fair, before you throw a host of questions at me, perhaps answer the ones I've asked you.

No, I support children participating in all school activities and assemblies....especially ones that have nothing to do with religion such as Remembrance Day.

I don't give a shit what adults do in their own time. This is about children and school assemblies.

[Benn]

Gunnair has a point. One the same side of the coin though I have the right to see those parents as douche-bags. Besides there are still many things people are forced to do in our 'free'society, like give their kid an education or they will get in trouble with Child and family services.

Ok, I'll solve this. Call it history class and give them a P/F for attending the 'lecture' then they all have to go.