[Delwin]

Brenda Brenda:

I find a 40% gap in an estimate a little suspicious.
This is the website for the union, De Rode Draad (or, in English, The Red Thread)
It is the google translate version
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl ... md%3Dimvns

Also, quoting one lady from the CDA might not be a good one. We all know that the CDA is against anything that has to do with un marital sex.
Asscher wants to get rid of prostitution all together. He just does not want it to exist, whether legal or illegal.

Ok but quoting the union is completely unbiased. What about this source :

“There are people who are really proud of the red-light district as a tourist attraction,” said Amsterdam councillor Karina Schaapman, herself a former prostitute. “It's supposed to be such a wonderful, cheery place that shows just what a free city we are. But I think it's a cesspit. There's a lot of serious criminality. There's a lot of exploitation of women, and a lot of social distress. That's nothing to be proud of.”

Credible enough?

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/opini ... ice=mobile

[Delwin]

Brenda Brenda:

martin14 martin14:

Delwin Delwin:

Same old story, better source:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/f ... 663841.stm

Sorry Brnda was your argument that 809 in 2009 is an OK number of human slaves?

There are probably more in Canada.

$1:

- According to the RCMP, 800 to 1200 people are trafficked in and through Canada every year.

Did you know that human trafficking was not a crime until 8 years ago? And the law against it was used for the first time in 2008? And that drug traffickers get more time in jail than human traffickers?

http://arpacanada.ca/index.php/issuesre ... in-canada-

http://activehistory.ca/2010/05/bill-c- ... d-present/

So Delwin, when you say you don't want Canada to become anything like the Netherlands, you might want to take your head out of your ass.

Ok there is a difference between There were 809 registered victims of human trafficking in 2008 (from your very credible wiki source which I may change later) and the rcmp estimated total of 800 to 1200 people. Although maybe not in your see no evil hear no evil culture.

Also from your wiki source:
Foreign prostitutes
In the 1970s, the majority of foreign prostitutes were from Thailand and the Philippines, in the 1980s from Latin America and the Caribbean. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, many prostitutes came from Central and Eastern Europe. No more than one third were Dutch nationals, the remainder representing 44 nationalities. The majority were from the Dominican Republic, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Romania and Poland. [4]
An article written by Marie-Victoire Louis in Le Monde diplomatique in 1997, claimed that 80% of prostitutes in Amsterdam were foreigners and 70% had no immigration papers (but did not quote the source). [5]
A Dutch report released in June 1999 estimated that two thirds of prostitutes were foreigners.[6]
In 2008, Karina Schaapman, a former prostitute and former member of the Amsterdam city council, produced a report about the Amsterdam sex trade. She offered the police a face book with 80 "violent pimps", of whom only three were Dutch-born. She said that more than 75% of Amsterdam's 8,000 to 11,000 prostitutes were from Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia.[7][8]
A study released by TAMPEP in 2009 put the number of migrant prostitutes at 60% (a decrease from 70% in 2006), originating from: Central Europe (EU) 40%, Latin America 20%, Western Europe 12%, Eastern Europe (non-EU) 8%, Africa 8%, Balkans 4%, Asia 4%, Baltic states 3% (estimates for 2008).[9]

[Delwin]

Perrin obtained the statistics under the Access to Information Act and will be presenting these findings at a national conference on human trafficking on October 29-30, 2008 in Vancouver, hosted by the B.C. Office to Combat Trafficking in Persons.

Perrin says that at least 31 foreign nationals were brought to the attention of immigration officials between May 2006 and May 2008 as potential human trafficking victims. Four of them were minors.

Key word is registered. Whose head, whose ass?

http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/media/r ... 8-143.html

[Brenda]

Keep your personal attacks to yourself, will you? Thanks!

[Delwin]

Funny I was only quoting you, but I suppose a double standard is to be expected in this case.

Brenda Brenda:

So Delwin, when you say you don't want Canada to become anything like the Netherlands, you might want to take your head out of your ass.

[andyt]

My understanding is that Holland has cut back on allowing prostitution because of the trafficking involved. That said, how driving it further underground will reduce trafficking, I don't know.

Sweden supposedly has had success in jailing the johns but not the hookers. Maybe we should try that.

But ultimately I think it's the same thing as with drugs - making it illegal doesn't prevent it, just increases the criminality. Better to regulate it, have the hookers pay taxes, and better enforce laws against trafficking.

[Delwin]

andyt the truth is when you legitimize the activity in a country you empower those whom are a party to it. Think about it in this regard: I am a human trafficker, Do I want to deal with 6 criminal acts or 3. Do I want to bring my victims to a country where prostitution is investigated and scrutinized or to a country where it is overlooked and permitted? The answer is obvious and the consequences are real. I dont want Canada to be one of those safe havens nor should you.

[Yogi]

Now that brothels have become 'legal' the next obvious step will have to be 'regulation of location'. Soon to be followed by health regs & biz licence & taxes.

Weed is soon to follow!

[Brenda]

Nice Delwin. I'm thinking you're either too stupid to get to them, or it is just not priority.

(see, I can do the personal attacks too. And I am better at it in the morning.)

Btw, I never said that the link to the hookers-union is unbiased. I gave that as info, for you to see that there are people taking this very seriously. Unlike Asscher or the CDA, who just want women in the kitchen.

[ShepherdsDog]

legalize and register brothels and just arrest those working the street corners or in unlicensed brothels . Mind you, it's not going to cut organized crime out of the business as they have plenty of 'legit' businesses and enterprizes going on too.

[Brenda]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

legalize and register brothels and just arrest those working the street corners or in unlicensed brothels .

Exactly.

[Dragon-Dancer]

Delwin Delwin:

What a crock. Have we officially become a nation of panderers ? Since when has it become unconstitutional to uphold the law ? I guess we should start handing out bullet proof vests to bank robbers to ensure their safety. This is absolutely disgusting and I hope Harper has the spine to stand up for what is right and appeal this. Has anyone considered what effect legitimizing prostitution will have on the the women of tomorrow ? Here s a good article that gives good reasons to keep prostitution illegal. http://www.honourconsulting.com/pdf/raymond.pdf

When you break the law you give up your constitutional rights. When you are caught you give up your freedom. That's it.

Should we start offering special protections to murderers, rapists, thieves because they are in danger of getting hurt by their victims ? Isn't it unconstitutional not to ? NO, of course not. So what makes prostitution any different ?

Prostitution itself is not illegal and hasn't been since before the current set of judgements. It's many of the activities associated with prostitution that were illegal. Ironically many of those activities have had the side effect of making it impossible for a prostitute to asses their potential client before being alone and in a potentially dangerous situation with them. Like it or not laws that make living/working in a legal business unsafe for any citizen are against the charter. At least in a properly licensed and regulated brothel it can be made relatively safe and secure. The rest of your argument doesn't even make sense.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm not so sure too many women choose prositution as a career. All those I have met in the UK and Canada have been addicts of some sort of narcotic or alcohol. Most have been pretty pathetic humans that warrant our pity. They get robbed, beaten, raped and abused. It's a sad life.

These woman are victims but prohibition of prostitution hasn't stopped the demand.

If this makes their lives safer I'm all for it.

[bootlegga]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

legalize and register brothels and just arrest those working the street corners or in unlicensed brothels . Mind you, it's not going to cut organized crime out of the business as they have plenty of 'legit' businesses and enterprizes going on too.

Yep, 20 years ago the Triad in Edmonton owned a dozen or so restaurants and nightclubs.

A friend working for the chain told me that twice a month, a large cash deposit (usually $20-25k) was made by one of the 'owners' in each of those establishments bank accounts, effectively laundering a lot of dirty money. Many of those businesses have since closed down, so odds are someone figured out what was going on. But I have little doubt they are doing the same thing with a different numbered company and different restaurants and clubs.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm not so sure too many women choose prositution as a career. All those I have met in the UK and Canada have been addicts of some sort of narcotic or alcohol. Most have been pretty pathetic humans that warrant our pity. They get robbed, beaten, raped and abused. It's a sad life.

These woman are victims but prohibition of prostitution hasn't stopped the demand.

If this makes their lives safer I'm all for it.

Lots of prostitutes you never hear about - all the escorts etc. They've certainly chosen their life because they can make a shitload of money. But, because they work off the street and service higher class clients, nobody has a problem.