[PublicAnimalNo9]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

As far as the West goes I'll admit some confusion on my part.

The moslems slaughtered a bunch of secularist leftish cartoonists and it's right-ish folks like myself who are outraged. No matter that the moslems slaughtered a bunch of lefties it seems the lefties are defending the moslems.

So who are the lefties for or against? Because it seems to me they're holding water for the people who most want to kill secular lefties.

That is indeed something I find very interesting about the situation, how opposed reactionary right-wingers are to these competing reactionary right-wingers. Gay marriage, women's rights, religion in schools, nationalism, racial superiority... Same views.

Actually, I've always been interested by the fact that when it comes to the basic underlying reason that Christianity even exists, Islam and Christianity are much closer together in their views of who Christ was than either are to Judaism. And considering the number of "Christians" who still hold contempt for the Jews for killing their savior 2000 years ago and thus providing the catalyst for the religion in the first place, it's a bit surprising the Muslims and Christians haven't ganged up on the Jews.

[Public_Domain]

[xerxes]

[martin14]

wow, some graffiti. Big deal.


Islam got a death toll of 17 dead and 'dozens' injured.


Following a lone wolf terrorist siege in a Sydney cafe, Muslim commuters fearful of retribution were invited to recruit traavelling companions using the #ridwithme hashtag.
No such phenomenon has so far emerged in France.


Slowly, slowly.

[martin14]

Here are your REAL victims, xerxes.




11.30 The Telegraph's Nicola Harley reports that Mickael B's wife had sent him to the supermarket to buy bread and chicken. Instead he became embroilled in France's worst hostage crisis for decades.

He watched in terror with his don as Coulibaly murdered hostages in front of them.

The man, known as Mickael B in his 30s, says his wife had sent him to buy bread and chicken at the Hypercacher in Port De Vincennes when he heard shots.

He told Le Point newspaper: "I heard a shot, it was very loud. I first thought it was a firecracker. Then as I turned I saw s black man armed with two Kalashnikov rifles, I understood what was happening. New shots rang out. I took my soon by the neck and went to the back of the store where there was a spiral staircase to the basement."

He said there were two cold store rooms but the door to his did not lock.

The terrorist sent a shop assistant down to demand they come back up.

He refused at first but agreed the second time.

He added: "We were terrified. My son was panicking."

He said as he entered the store he saw a man lying on the floor covered in blood and Coulibaly told him: "I am Amedy Coulibaly, Malian and Muslim. I belong to the Islamic State."

He said they were all ordered to put their phones on the ground and Coulibaly asked him to call a TV station.

He said one hostage tried to grab a gun Coulibaly had placed on the counter but it did not work.

"He fired on the person who did it and he died instantly," he said.

"My son started to cry, he wanted to go home."

He said he managed to "discreetly" call the police outside while Coulibaly was praying and they told him they would be coming soon.

Coulibaly told them he was prepared to die and it was his "reward".

"He had weapons in each hand, charges and boxes of cartridges nearby. He suddenly began to pray."

He said they heard explosions and got to the ground.

When he looked up, he said: "The noise was deafening. He was dead. It was over."

The siege saw Coulibaly kill four hostages before the police arrived.

[Praxius]

German Muslims denounce Paris attack as 'abuse of the religion of peace'
http://a.msn.com/r/2/AA7ZvsS?a=1&m=EN-CA

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German Muslims have sharply condemned Wednesday's attack at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris. But while denouncing terrorism, they have also warned of a split in society and urge a united approach.

About a dozen German Muslim organizations met in Cologne on Friday to sign a joint declaration against terrorism, sharply condemning the attack on the offices of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo that left 12 people dead.

Speaking at a news conference, Bekir Alboga, secretary general of the Ditib Turkish Islam Union, called the tragedy "an attack on everyone's freedom" and "an abuse of the religion of peace."

Alboga warned against the instrumentalization of the "abominable act" by groups critical of or hostile towards Islam, like the PEGIDA movement (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West) which has gained momentum in Germany in recent months.

Fresh impetus for PEGIDA?

Nurhan Soykan, secretary general of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany, said she fears the Paris bloodbath could fan the flames of the PEGIDA and far-right protests. But she told DW that she is also aware that there are people in society who stand up for the Muslims, "people who said, we can't lump them all together, we can't suspect them as a group."

Soykan emphasized that it wasn't just the leaders of the Muslim organizations in Germany that denounced the attack: even tiny communities have supported the calls for solemn vigils, voicing their own condemnation of the attack. She said the center of society must be strengthened against extremism on the fringes, whether from the far-right or from the Islamists.

At the press conference, several Muslim representatives recalled the large anti-PEGIDA protest in Cologne on Monday - and the sense of power that emanated from the united action supported by Christians, Jews, Muslims and dedicated people from various other backgrounds.

We can't let the attack be crowned by the success "of tearing our society apart," said Ali Kizilkaya, chairman of the Islamic Council of Germany.

Committed to freedom of opinion

The Islamic representatives also spoke of their common commitment to freedom of the press and freedom of expression. But when asked whether this commitment included caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, their answers were not so clear cut.

For Seyfi Ögütlü, secretary general of the Union of Islamic Cultural Associations, freedom of expression also includes making fun of religion. But he also called for respect and sensitivity toward religious beliefs, and not just Islam.

But Murat Gümüs, deputy secretary general of the Islamic religious community Milli Görüs, thinks caricatures of the prophet, insulting or otherwise, are unacceptable. The clearest commitment to freedom of speech, however, came from Nurhan Soykan of the Central Council of Muslims.

Referencing the Prophet Muhammad, Soykan said that "he has endured much ridicule and mockery himself, and we must also bear this. Even if it hurts." Incidentally, Soykan herself did not think the cartoons were so bad - especially when compared with the hate mail she has received.

The Central Council of Muslims has called for a vigil at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin on Monday to remember the victims of the attacks in France. Social Democratic Party (SPD) leader Sigmar Gabriel has said he plans to attend, along with many others.

That whole "Religion of Peace" thing caught my eye while checking news on my phone... Figured a couple of people would have a few things to say about that here in the forums.

Sarcasm aside, I believe there were a lot of people complaining about how the moderate Muslims were remaining mostly silent in the last while and they wanted these moderates to start getting a bit more involved against these extremists in order to show that they are not patting these guys on the back behind closed doors.

Seems like they are now... So where does that leave things now?

The bigger question I have rattling around in my brain, is what sort of action are these groups going to take?

Words are one thing, action is another.

[Regina]

Papers say this is the worst attack in decades. I can't recall worse though.

[andyt]

The Algerians got pretty nasty during the fight for independence. Not that the French troops were all the sweet either.

[andyt]

Well, it's still only a small fraction of Muslims - not every Muslim came out in the street in protest against the attacks, which proves most Muslims support the attacks. These leaders are just mouthing platitudes while they covertly hatch their nefarious schemes. Muslim religion calls for killings like this, so only bad Muslims are against it. Also, the Muslims haven't protested against the depredations of their home governments, which shows how phony they are. Even if they were born in a western country, they should still be on the streets protesting against whats happening in whatever country their people originally came from.

Bottom line, never trust a Muslim when he's speaking about peace - he plans to stab you in the back first chance he gets. His religion tells him to do so.

[Zipperfish]

xerxes xerxes:

"Tell Mama." OK that sounds kind of creepy.

One of the many, many tragic outcomes of this massacre is that Muslims that are just trying to get on with their lives will be persecuted--which will increase existing marginalization. But I'm afraid the momentum has started and now it will be difficult to stop. It will likely add to the momentum of nationalist parties in Europe as well.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

One of the many, many tragic outcomes of this massacre is that Muslims that are just trying to get on with their lives will be persecuted--which will increase existing marginalization. But I'm afraid the momentum has started and now it will be difficult to stop. It will likely add to the momentum of nationalist parties in Europe as well.

And that's what makes crap like is expressed on this site so dangerous. Alienating the Muslims that just want to live in peace by lumping them in with jihadis and their supporters will just feed the jihadi machine. Bart has proudly suggests a final solution to the Muslim situation. Thanos posts quotes about "kill them all" which seems to be referring to all Muslims. So it will increase more than marginalization, it will increase terrorism. This is exactly what he terrorists want, to turn people against each other. They might not win that holy war, but can sure raise holy cain trying.

[ShepherdsDog]

It's what the terrorists want. Their message won't work on Muslims that are accepted as part of a secular society. They hated our freedoms, 911 resulted in a roll-back of freedoms and liberty in the name of security. Attacks on western institutions will result in a backlash against all Muslims, including ones that want to be part of a secular state. This will radicalize more Muslims who will proclaim, 'See they don't want us and we can't live with them'. Conflict will increase.

[andyt]

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Charlie Hebdo attack: Hayat Boumeddiene hunted by French police

She is the possible key to helping authorities dismantle what could be a terrorist network.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-he ... -1.2896462


For all the numbnuts on this site who couldn't understand why it would have been good if the terrorists had been taken alive. For instance, where did these guys get AK's from? How big is the network supporting them? Are there other attacks on the books?

Hard to get those answers from the dead. These were not the lone, loco, wolves we saw in Canada and Oz. These guys didn't get radicalized on the net.

[Jabberwalker]

Now they're are "martyrs" according to a substantial sub-section of Islam. Much better that people like this should stand public trial so that all can observe how looney they are or perhaps now pathetic and maybe even stupid they may be. It's much harder to see some bum rotting away in a pen as much of a martyr. This kid who survived the Boston Marathon bombing isn't likely to present the Great Muslim Warrier Martyr image. We shall see but he will most likely project as a misguided, little loser-twerp that girls didn't like ... as heinous a mass murderer that he is.

[Thanos]

Regina Regina:

Papers say this is the worst attack in decades. I can't recall worse though.

Both the London and Madrid bombings were significantly worse as far as the European experience goes. The French are particularly rattled right now because for a long time their foreign policy has been reflexively anti-US/anti-Israel with too much sympathy directed by their government towards Muslim dictators and terrorist groups. France was one of the first countries to block weapons sales to Israel even when the Jews were being regularly invaded by the neighbouring Arabs. France blocked the US from flying over their territory when they bombed Qaddafi and did next to nothing in response when the PLO was shooting up street cafes in Paris back in the mid-1980's. They were also about the last remaining supporters of Saddam Hussein before the 2003 invasion, not out of moral anti-war grounds but to preserve their oil-developing contracts with Iraq. They might have thought this neutrality/quasi-sympathy for Muslim causes had bought them a pass from current terrorism but obviously they underestimated that the Al Qaeda/ISIS brand of belligerence spares no one from attack.