[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I’ve probably had more jewish friends, classmates and colleagues than you’ve ever even met, you loser.

You do realize, you are now on the same level as this:






Congratulations !

[Sunnyways]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Did you read what I included? This person is trying to travel to the UK for a scholarship. He has to traverse Israel to do so. He is not trying to immigrate to Israel. Your comparison is not an accurate one. It would be accurate if the US restricted the rights of Iranians to travel to India or Pakistan.

Not that it matters, because as I said any kind of restrictions or sanctions can be used to make my point, but even if you want to stay with that specific case you're still wrong.

Your guy, who you're suddenly attaching so much importance to, even though his case has nothing to do with the original point that stated Israel doesn't have any kind of exclusive authority over Gaza, did want to enter Israel. The permission was delayed.

From your link:

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Mr Awad applied for a visa to exit Gaza through the Erez crossing in order to travel overland to Amman, where he would fly to London.

His UK student visa gives him a window of time in which to enter the country, which expires on 13 October. At this point it seems unlikely he will be allowed to leave before 24 October at the earliest.

The Erez crossing goes from Gaza into Israel.

BTW, if Israel wouldn't let him in as quickly as he would have liked why didn't he go through Egypt?

Oh wait...that's right:

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There are three checkpoints out: two into Israel, and one at Rafah, the crossing with Egypt, which has largely been closed since Hamas, the militant organization which rules Gaza, seized control of the Strip in 2007.

And I remind you the quote above is from the source you offered.

Then Israel's beef should be with Hamas not him. He is one of MANY examples of Gazan students, as the links show, who wish to study abroad, not in Israel. Israel deliberately makes life difficult for these kids to get out of Gaza to show who is boss. And they often make it difficult to get back in again for no good reason. If that's not exerting some control I don't know what is. And Egypt is part of this game as well. It's crossing has been only open for a few days this year. That's collective punishment of everybody.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Does anybody recognize Gaza as an independent country? [/quote-] If not , then it’s not a country is it?

[quote/]The UN, EU, Russia and America have all imposed sanctions and appear to endorse the blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt.

I don't know what this independence is you think they should have. Why would it be up to Israel alone to give it to them? The blockade is international. Egypt restricts passage at its border with Gaza.

Egypt doesn’t control Gazas seaports and airspace

What could Israel give them? Free water and electricity? Open access into Israel?

How is that Gazan independence?[/quote]

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De facto and de jure states Edit
Most sovereign states are states de jure and de facto (i.e., they exist both in law and in reality). However, a state may be recognised only as a de jure state, in that it is recognised as being the legitimate government of a territory over which it has no actual control. For example, during the Second World War, governments-in-exile of a number of continental European states continued to enjoy diplomatic relations with the Allies, notwithstanding that their countries were under Nazi occupation. The PLO and Palestinian Authority claim that the State of Palestine is a sovereign state, a claim which has been recognised by most states, though the territory it claims is under the de facto control of Israel.[32][46] a

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10 Things Palestinians Can’t Do Because Of The Israeli Occupation

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/m.huffpost. ... 8895bc/amp

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I’ve probably had more jewish friends, classmates and colleagues than you’ve ever even met, you loser.

You do realize, you are now on the same level as this:






Congratulations !

No that’s nothing like it. I said I have long had personal relationships with people who are Jewish. That’s not the same as saying you have a current business relationship with a Jew. You probably can’t even understand the difference. Nice try though.

[martin14]

So, tell us how many black friends you have.

Or Islamists.

[martin14]

Let's see who else has Jewish friends.

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/ ... nds-109708
Hamas aide: 'I have Jewish friends'

It's called the friend argument.
The friend argument is one of the laziest ways to try to worm out of accepting the responsibility for endorsing prejudice.



It's right up there with "I'm not racist, but....."




http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... riendsAreX

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fo ... d2cc83a9af

https://www.thefword.org.uk/2017/04/why ... be-racist/

https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/03/bl ... or-racism/

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/stop-u ... our-racism

http://verysmartbrothas.com/dear-white- ... ck-friend/


Just change 'black' for 'Jewish' and you're good to go.


https://newrepublic.com/article/90059/g ... nd-defense

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ew/306260/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 73336.html

https://www.dailydot.com/via/mike-hucka ... y-problem/




So this:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

You know for a bunch people who complain about “playing the race card “ whenever it comes to Blacks or Mexicans or whomever, you can’t seem to get through a single page of this thread without claiming anyone who criticizes Israels policies is anti-semitic.

Is because you are.
You just said so.


So you can also stop carrying this fake torch worrying about Christians in the ME,
because you are also one of the worst anti-Christians on this board.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Egypt doesn’t control Gazas seaports and airspace

But it does support them. You know who else does? Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is opposed to lifting the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip because this would bolster Hamas, according to what he told United States President Barack Obama during their meeting at the White House Wednesday. Egypt also supports this position.

https://www.haaretz.com/abbas-to-obama- ... e-1.295771

Seems like nobody wants to see the terrorists of Hammas armed by terror-friendly nations like Iran by sea.

Well...Turkey does, but fuck Turkey.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

About 80% of Palestinian Christians are Arabs. They are mostly on the side of anybody who can get them the Hell out of Palestine.

You should let the mayor of Bethlehem know that. She’s an ELECTED UNMARRIED CHRISTIAN FEMALE.

Boy, these claims you have of anti-zionist Palestinian Christians just keep regressing. First we were hearing all Palestinian Christians were actively blaming Israel for all their problems, then it was most, now it's down to some Mayor.

Your estimates are regressing faster than the Christian Arabs are regressing from the actual disputed territory of the West Bank.

Is this why they call you guys the "regressive Left?"

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

About 80% of Palestinian Christians are Arabs. They are mostly on the side of anybody who can get them the Hell out of Palestine.

Do you ever read your own links?

This is from the Wikipedia link you offered up earlier:

"In 2009, there were an estimated 50,000 Christians in the Palestinian territories, mostly in the West Bank, with about 3,000 in the Gaza Strip.[11] Of the total Christian population of 154,000 in Israel, about 80% are designated as Arabs, many of whom self-identify as Palestinian."

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Do you read anything? Seems to be exactly what I said I don’t see any discrepancy

Ahh...the math master strikes again.

This is something you said:

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They mostly live in the Occupied Territories [mostly] and are not citizens of Israel.

Now by "Occupied Territories" I'm going to assume you mean the disputed territories of the West Bank and the Hamas run territory of Gaza.

There were 50,000 Christians in those territories in 2009. It would be a lot less now. There were 154,000 Christians in Israel.

Now I don't know if they covered this in Special Ed, but believe it or not 154,000 is more than 50,000.

So when you say "most Christian Arabs live in the 'occupied' territories as opposed to Israel you are one more time...Wrong (are you going to need to see the video again? )

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Here are some recent headlines, some from your favourite right wing birdcage liners:

And then you post something from The Independent.

Are you trying to be funny?

Because you finally succeeded at something if you are. And if you weren't it's even funnier.

The independent is indisputably left-leaning. The Independent competes with The Guardian for an audience. Surely not even you is going to try to pass The Guardian off as right-wing.

But yeah The Independent did its lefty 'I want to believe something happened so that means it did happen' thing. You didn't learn that one from them, did you?

[N_Fiddledog]

And reading down I see you also tried to pass the Associated Press off as Right-leaning. Again thanks for the chuckle.

But then...wait...

OMG are you honestly calling Haaretz right wing? Haaretz is what Noah Chomsky would read. Hell, even Wikipedia knows Haaretz is leftist. Look it up.

Were you not able to find anything at The Morning Star?

[N_Fiddledog]

Kay, I'm just going to slip through all that hilarity so I can get to this classic Martin was laughing about.

Here we go.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I’ve probably had more jewish friends, classmates and colleagues than you’ve ever even met, you loser!

To which I say...

How do you know I'm not Jewish?

And Beave replies...

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

So, tell us how many black friends you have.

More than you I would wager

[quote[Or Islamists.[/quote]

Ok got me there, never met an Islamist. . But I have always had Muslim classmates, friends and coworkers, including a close friend in school,...which is how I know Muslims and Islamists aren’t the same thing while you continue to struggle with that concept.

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

Let's see who else has Jewish friends.

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/ ... nds-109708
Hamas aide: 'I have Jewish friends'

It's called the friend argument.
The friend argument is one of the laziest ways to try to worm out of accepting the responsibility for endorsing prejudice.



It's right up there with "I'm not racist, but....."




http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... riendsAreX

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fo ... d2cc83a9af

https://www.thefword.org.uk/2017/04/why ... be-racist/

https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/03/bl ... or-racism/

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/stop-u ... our-racism

http://verysmartbrothas.com/dear-white- ... ck-friend/


Just change 'black' for 'Jewish' and you're good to go.


https://newrepublic.com/article/90059/g ... nd-defense

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ew/306260/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 73336.html

https://www.dailydot.com/via/mike-hucka ... y-problem/




So this:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

You know for a bunch people who complain about “playing the race card “ whenever it comes to Blacks or Mexicans or whomever, you can’t seem to get through a single page of this thread without claiming anyone who criticizes Israels policies is anti-semitic.

Is because you are.
You just said so.


So you can also stop carrying this fake torch worrying about Christians in the ME,
because you are also one of the worst anti-Christians on this board.

Holy crap what better example of the moral rot inside people like you. You don’t even understand how distorted your way of viewing the world is. You’re like those setial killlers who are born without the ability to even comprehend what empathy is.

I’ll explain this for the benefit of others because you’re beyond hope.

I’m anti-religion in general but I’m not anti-people. That’s the difference between people like me and just awful hateful people like you. Just because I think people shouldn’t be religious, you think that I’d be indifferent to attrocites and injustices comittted against religious people?


We all know that kind of reasoning is what you apply to the to the groups of people you disagree with: you HATE them, consider them all to be UNIVERSALLY EVIL, and you then based on that hatred you either support or become indifferent to any level of cruelty or injustice perpetred against any member of that group. But what’s most frustrating is that you think this is a humans normal way of thinking. . ITS NOT NORMAL.

It’s just stunning to me that you naturally assume a person wouldn’t sympathize with religious persecution of human beings simply because they’re an advocate for secularism.

People who think lifke you are what’s wrong with the world. Your comments show that you assume most people will tolerate cruelty and injustice arnd persecution under certain circumstances and do if someone disagrees with Group X then to you they must logically also be ok with their persecution. That’s how you think and you naturally assume that’s some kind of base logic held by all people. It’s not. It’s the logic of hatemongers like you. People with your didposition born in other parts of the world are the ones who end up in groups like ISIS or the Tamil Tigers; fortunately for you, you were born in a progressive liberal society that doesn’t provide you with fertile ground to spread your hateful logic.

So no you putrid shitstain just because I’m a secularist who doesn’t want to be ruled by the religious right doesn’t mean I’m “anti-Christian’” and somehow unsympathetic to the persecution of Christians. Now go ponder that for an eternity.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But it does support them. You know who else does? Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

He proposed an alternative compromise, instead opening land crossings and Israel allowing shipments of food and medicine to enter Gaza, which Israel also restricts . That’s not same as saying he supports Israels seige of Gaza.

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but fuck Turkey.

Gross. I bet you ate Thanksgiving dinner alone.