[Brenda]

Safety cams have been around forever, bank accounts have been checked forever, your foreign mail has been checked forever, and I don't know what the other one is.

[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's just a random blood test.

It's just a random check of my bank accounts.

It's just a random check of my computer's hard drive.

It's just a random check of my mail.

It's just a random search of my house.

It's just random closed circuit TV monitoring of the public.

I think everything except the blood test is covered under the PATRIOT Act in some form, or otherwise implemented normally unquestioned.

No, bank account checks are only done when there's an international transaction of $5,000 or more in any given month. Computer HDD random checks are illegal. Random checks of mail are illegal. Random searches of homes and businesses are illegal. And we simply don't have the United Kingdom's massive CCTV network.

[Brenda]

Define 'random'? Mail from Holland (especially packages) are (randomly) checked here, and sometimes, don't even get here. I am still waiting for a birthday gift that was sent to me 2 years ago.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Define 'random'? Mail from Holland (especially packages) are (randomly) checked here, and sometimes, don't even get here. I am still waiting for a birthday gift that was sent to me 2 years ago.

International parcels are checked for reasons of customs, not security. International mail in the USA is not ever checked without a warrant. The Postal Service doesn't give a rip how shiny your badge is if you don't have a warrant.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Go to Arizona and...

Yeah, Canada is the only one losing their liberties...

A mayor in Mexico was stoned to death by a drug gang yesterday. Some 40 police officers in Mexico and one Mexican Marine died in the line of duty fighting the drug gangs. That was just yesterday.

It's that same violence from the drug gangs that has been spilling over the border into the US for a long time and the Arizona authorities want it stopped. The Federal government won't do it because sh*theads like you think this is about the rights of legal immigrants when it isn't.

If Mexico wants to descend into anarchy that's up to them. We don't want it here and I expect after this election coming up the new Congress will put Obama on the spot by passing tougher new laws to secure the border.

Actually, sh*tpumps (is that how one avoid warnings? Damn it, I should have known better ) like you will go to any length to create bigoted policies to support their latent racism. Demanding all the brown people carry ID simply because they are brown and you're really scared of a what a brown person might do because brown people elsewhere can do bad things which means the brown people in Arizona might also do the bad things simply because they are brown.

Really... true story...

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

bootlegga bootlegga:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

That's highly ironic coming from someone living in a nation with not one, but two Patriot Acts...

Interesting how he glosses over the loss of freedoms in his own country when criticizing Canada.

It's par for the course these days.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

It's not a friggin random stop and search. It's a friggin random roadside sobriety test.

Cool. Now that you've established the all-important precedent go to the next step:

It's just a random blood test.

It's just a random check of my bank accounts.

It's just a random check of my computer's hard drive.

It's just a random check of my mail.

It's just a random search of my house.

It's just random closed circuit TV monitoring of the public.


If society and the government are safer then this is all perfectly fine, right?

And do not, kindly, say that these things won't happen as four of the above are now common in the UK where it was once said it was not going to happen.

Nice try but it don't fly. You are comparing something that happens on public roads and associating it with gross invasions of privacy. There is no precedent comparing random roadside sobriety tests to random gross invasions of privacy.
What makes me laugh is, on the one hand, you've more than once said that the police are essentially reactive (I'm paraphrasing)
Now, when there's a chance to give them a little bit of proactive powers, you find something wrong with it.
Frankly, it ain't any different than crossing the border and having your car searched just because. Maybe you could write to Homeland Security and explain to them that random car searches at the border are a serious violation of people's rights. Let me know how you make out

[Dragom]

As I proceeded to work this morning on 2 hours of sleep I realized that random breathalyzer tests weren't enough to keep dangerous drivers off the road.

What they need is random rubics cube tests.

[ASLplease]

Brenda Brenda:

Define 'random'? Mail from Holland (especially packages) are (randomly) checked here, and sometimes, don't even get here. I am still waiting for a birthday gift that was sent to me 2 years ago.

Happy Birthday!

[stratos]

$1:

It's not a friggin random stop and search. It's a friggin random roadside sobriety test.

They must stop you sense you will be driving and a breath test is a search of the contents of your blood to determine your alcohol content. Be it 0.00 or higher it still is a search.

So it is a FRIGGIN RANDOM STOP AND SEARCH.

[stratos]

Dragom Dragom:

As I proceeded to work this morning on 2 hours of sleep I realized that random breathalyzer tests weren't enough to keep dangerous drivers off the road.

What they need is random rubics cube tests.

I would fail cold sobber and wide awake on a caffine rush.

[Bouboumaster]

bootlegga bootlegga:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

That's highly ironic coming from someone living in a nation with not one, but two Patriot Acts...

PWNED!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

stratos stratos:

$1:

It's not a friggin random stop and search. It's a friggin random roadside sobriety test.

They must stop you sense you will be driving and a breath test is a search of the contents of your blood to determine your alcohol content. Be it 0.00 or higher it still is a search.

So it is a FRIGGIN RANDOM STOP AND SEARCH.

Nice try with the semantics

[bootlegga]

Dragom Dragom:

As I proceeded to work this morning on 2 hours of sleep I realized that random breathalyzer tests weren't enough to keep dangerous drivers off the road.

What they need is random rubics cube tests.

[Dayseed]

stratos stratos:

Realy considering both are or were claimed for the public good, Germany's was abused and the potental for abuse of this one is very very high. But then again I'm sure you will love to be stopped constantly and subjected to a breath test no matter the time of day no matter if you have commited a traffic violation or not. The first time you're running a bit late to work or an important meeting and are pulled over I'm sure you will be very pleased and delighted to give the breath test. Oh and if a bad/false reading should happen no complaints on your part will happen.
But I'm sure you think its asinine of me to even think such a thing would happen. Or that a false reading can happen.

Now you're being incredibly asinine. Let's take a walk down Stratos Lane to find out why.

1. The police being able to arbitrarily stop you and randomly demand a breath sample is NOT the same as Nazi measures to either oppress/murder the Jewish citizens nor to maintain a steely control over the populace via a brutal secret police.

Actually, it's goddamn demeaning to people when you trivialize Nazi horrors; it shows your stump ignorance of the real depths the Reich went.

2. Perhaps you should try reading the thread on which you're commenting before you make sweeping accusations which are completely antithetical to what I've been saying. I know it hurts to walk headlong into contradictory facts, but I would suspect you'd be used to it by now.

I've argued against increased detention powers (with reasons a little more sophisticated than yours. Your ideas remind me of a kid farting in a bathtub. Sure, it's cute, but thank God it happened there and not in the real world where something could have gotten stained) for the bulk of this thread.

I'm sure you won't apologize for any of this, it would hurt you on the inside.