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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:26 am
 


Canada's first climate refugees. This is early May, not August.

Heartbreaking to be given a few minutes to choose your treasured belongings before having to flee.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:27 am
 


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So for the Elizabeth May haters - I just read she said the fires are related to climate change after being asked that very question. You want her to lie about her beliefs to protect your rightie pc (didn't beaver come up with a term for that?) sensibilities?


Thank God there were never any forest fires before global warming because we'd have lost all those million year old trees in Northern Alberta.
Wow, that's a nice red herring.

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And for the record, no I don't want her lying about her beliefs but, I'd like to see her to stop using her position to make blanket and unprovable statements since it's irresponsible and borders on being inflamatory propaganda.
So "I have no opinion on that?" You'd be bashing her for being hypocritical. As for unprovable, well nothing is going to satisfy you as proof, is it? She made clear that she is not attributing this fire as being caused by GW, but that large scale fires like this are becoming more common because of GW. Seems to be what's happening. Look at last year's fire season here in BC.


Bullshit using your position in a situation like this to push a personal agenda based on your "opinion" is nothing short of vile grandstanding of the type that belongs right up there with this asshole.

https://reportca.net/2016/05/former-alb ... re-karmic/

And here's a question. If like you claim, the BC wildfire situation is being caused by global warming why aren't you championing another ice age based on the cold weather Eastern Canada has endured for the past couple of years?

Oh yeah, one is global warming and one is weather. ROTFL


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:28 am
 


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Maybe this is or isn't associated with climate change or an especially perverse El Nino effect but there's no way that it doesn't contribute to making that forest extra-dry for a potential conflagration.

That's the whole point. And I think this particular fire, and all the fires we're fighting in BC right now, is more about El Nino.


BINGO!

A strong El Nino this year meant less snow than usual this winter as well as almost no rain this spring.

Besides, what almost no one has bothered to mention is that spruce trees (a sizeable chunk of northern boreal forests) actually need fire to renew themselves.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:33 am
 


A dramatic weather change is about all that can stop this fire.

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Temperatures are expected to remain high, with a glimmer of hope on the horizon as a cold front approaches. It could, however, bring lightning with it, possibly starting more fires. It is a nearly impossible situation.


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"This really shows that once a fire like this is up and running, the only things that are going to stop it is if the weather changes or if it runs out of fuel to burn up," says Flannigan. "With a fire like this, it's burning so hot that air drops are like spitting on a campfire. Water and retardant might slow it down, but probably not much."


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:34 am
 


A local resident here has a friend whose family had just moved there, not even finished unpacking yet, and their home is gone.

I also just learned yesterday that a supplier customer service rep I've talked to many times, who just went on maternity leave a few weeks ago, also had to flee with her family and new-born baby. An associate of hers sent an email to her contacts to let all know that she and her family are safe.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:34 am
 


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Amazing that no one has died in this. Amazing.


And the best part is that there have been no instances of mass looting nor a complete breakdown of society. You guys could take a page from us when it comes to having a civilized, well organized, people's safety first, major catastrophe. [B-o]


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bootlegga bootlegga:
andyt andyt:
Thanos Thanos:
Maybe this is or isn't associated with climate change or an especially perverse El Nino effect but there's no way that it doesn't contribute to making that forest extra-dry for a potential conflagration.

That's the whole point. And I think this particular fire, and all the fires we're fighting in BC right now, is more about El Nino.


BINGO!

A strong El Nino this year meant less snow than usual this winter as well as almost no rain this spring.

Besides, what almost no one has bothered to mention is that spruce trees (a sizeable chunk of northern boreal forests) actually need fire to renew themselves.


People don't think of that. When crap like this happens it's Global Warming, God punishing us or Karma. Nobody wants to admit the obvious which is that the disaster quotient is higher now than it ever before because, we live in places that put us directly in the path of mother natures fury.

We live on beaches, get hit by hurricanes, we live in the middle of a boreal forest, fires get us, we live on fault lines, earth quakes get us, we live on islands, tsunami's get us.

So, given there are billions more of us living closer to dangers edge than ever before it's actually quite surprising that we haven't seen even more of these mega disasters. I just hope that nobody dies and they can rebuild the city when this "act of nature" is done.


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Bullshit using your position in a situation like this to push a personal agenda based on your "opinion" is nothing short of vile grandstanding of the type that belongs right up there with this asshole.

https://reportca.net/2016/05/former-alb ... re-karmic/

And here's a question. If like you claim, the BC wildfire situation is being caused by global warming why aren't you championing another ice age based on the cold weather Eastern Canada has endured for the past couple of years?

Oh yeah, one is global warming and one is weather. ROTFL



There are opinions and there are informed opinions. Given that the average global temperature has risen around 1 deg, and given that it is higher than that the further north you go, you would expect an earlier and extended fire season.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:47 am
 


Cities in Europe, China, Russia and Japan that were damaged worse, were rebuilt in the 1950s. Fort Mac also sits beside the world's third largest oil reserve, so it'll be rebuilt....hopefully with big ass fire breaks around the city this time.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:51 am
 


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Bullshit using your position in a situation like this to push a personal agenda based on your "opinion" is nothing short of vile grandstanding of the type that belongs right up there with this asshole.

https://reportca.net/2016/05/former-alb ... re-karmic/

And here's a question. If like you claim, the BC wildfire situation is being caused by global warming why aren't you championing another ice age based on the cold weather Eastern Canada has endured for the past couple of years?

Oh yeah, one is global warming and one is weather. ROTFL



There are opinions and there are informed opinions. Given that the average global temperature has risen around 1 deg, and given that it is higher than that the further north you go, you would expect an earlier and extended fire season.

Well when the conveyor current collapses, due to an influx of fresh water from ice melt, northern hemisphere temperatures are supposed to collapse, and less saline sea water means it'll freeze that much easier.


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
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Bullshit using your position in a situation like this to push a personal agenda based on your "opinion" is nothing short of vile grandstanding of the type that belongs right up there with this asshole.

https://reportca.net/2016/05/former-alb ... re-karmic/

And here's a question. If like you claim, the BC wildfire situation is being caused by global warming why aren't you championing another ice age based on the cold weather Eastern Canada has endured for the past couple of years?

Oh yeah, one is global warming and one is weather. ROTFL



There are opinions and there are informed opinions. Given that the average global temperature has risen around 1 deg, and given that it is higher than that the further north you go, you would expect an earlier and extended fire season.


Only one of which Elizabeth May is qualified to give and one which certainly doesn't give her the right to use that opinion to push an agenda amid the misfortune of 80K people.

I won't dispute that the world is warming because it is. What I will dispute is that fires like this are a direct result of that temperature change. There are numerous factors in the cause of forest fires for example. The forest cleanses itself regularly and we humans have upset that natural order by suppressing fires and causing a build up of combustible materials which, in turn has caused larger and more damaging fires. Combine that with El Nino drying thing out, the warmer temps and you have the perfect storm.


So perhaps people like Ms May should stop blaming every weather event on global warming/climate change because she'd be better served to wait a few decades before making her informed decision especially given that the argument she's championing claims that colder than normal temperatures are just a one off weather event but, all forest fires in an El Nino season are global warming.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 11:52 am
 


The fire has ballooned to encompass 85 000 hectares overnight due to 70 kph winds. To quote a co worker, 'Ho-leh!' They figure 9 billion in insurance claims. 8O


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The fire has ballooned to encompass 85 000 hectares overnight due to 70 kph winds. To quote a co worker, 'Ho-leh!' They figure 9 billion in insurance claims. 8O



Let's hope the insurance companies don't start pulling out the Act of God or Act of Terrorism cards. :?


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The fire has ballooned to encompass 85 000 hectares overnight due to 70 kph winds. To quote a co worker, 'Ho-leh!' They figure 9 billion in insurance claims. 8O


Let's hope the insurance companies don't start pulling out the Act of God or Act of Terrorism cards. :?


Wait till they find the cause. More than one fire in the area has been blamed on First Nations looking to make a summer job for themselves on a fire crew.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:00 pm
 


Be sort of hard to determine the exact cause now. I don't think enviro terrorism planned this either, as the city is being destroyed not the oil sand fields.

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More than one fire in the area has been blamed on First Nations looking to make a summer job for themselves on a fire crew.


That's been a charge levied in several places and times. If they started here, it would be kids playing with matches rather than a make work project.


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