[DrCaleb]

It's like this stuff writes itself, just in the most ironic times:

$1:

The B.C. Civil Liberties Association is calling for an independent investigation after a 17-year-old Williams Lake woman said she was handcuffed and beaten by RCMP when she asked the officers for help.

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local ... montonHome

[Robair]

There's that, Ian Bush, Dziekanski, Orion Hutchinson, Buddy Tavares... those are just the BC incidents I can remember without looking anything up.

[fifeboy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Of course it must be Harpers fault

Goodness, I agree with you.

[fifeboy]

Regina Regina:

Is Ontario and Quebec the only provinces with their own police force?

Not sure, but I think Newfoundland.

[fifeboy]

Dayseed Dayseed:

andyt andyt:

Here's our chance to get rid of those numbnuts. BCPP here we come.

Who do you think would be making up the BCPP anyway? All fresh recruits? Where would the BCPP get their cars, radios and detachments? Where would they get their forms, procedures and what-not? What about cases currently before the courts? Are you going to dismiss the RCMP staff to other provinces and pay through the nose to bring them back to testify at the trials?

It's not that simple a switch...

There would still be a Federal police component. Just not in the day to day patrolling and ticketing.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Don't you guys find it rather ironic that you're quite willing to side with what the left calls an extremely "Right Wing" government before all the evidence is in just to bad mouth Harper?

It's not a left/right issue. It's that the RCMP is a discredited force with lots of problems. Let's have our own force.

Sounds good to me. The only problem has been mentioned above. Where do we get the people, equipment and money to startup our own force.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Don't you guys find it rather ironic that you're quite willing to side with what the left calls an extremely "Right Wing" government before all the evidence is in just to bad mouth Harper?

It's not a left/right issue. It's that the RCMP is a discredited force with lots of problems. Let's have our own force.

Sounds good to me. The only problem has been mentioned above. Where do we get the people, equipment and money to startup our own force.

IIRC, the police stations are paid for by the province. So they are provincial property. And if the RCMP lose their contract, there will be just enough layoffs in the force of experienced Police officers to cover the demand for new hires.

[Robair]

Woh there buddy. Ease up on the advanced math.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

IIRC, the police stations are paid for by the province. So they are provincial property. And if the RCMP lose their contract, there will be just enough layoffs in the force of experienced Police officers to cover the demand for new hires.

Thats provided the Feds lay them off and I can't see them doing that or, if they did they'd lay off all the slackassed, slackjawed, trouble making, bullying, twits who you wouldn't want for a Provincial Police Force anyway.

We'd be boned either way.

Best thing to do is try and negotiate a couple of year contract, start recruiting the best people you can find by using standards higher than the RCMP or municipal police forces and then when you have them in place double them up with the RCMP till the contract expires.

It'd cost more but you'd get a better quality police officer who could monitor the lunatic fringe the RCMP has been recruiting training and sending to BC for some reason.

[Dayseed]

Robair Robair:

There's that, Ian Bush, Dziekanski, Orion Hutchinson, Buddy Tavares... those are just the BC incidents I can remember without looking anything up.

Buddy Tavares is a travesty in Canada; Dziekanski I still say no, I don't know the Hutchinson case and I side completely with the RCMP on Ian Bush. Anybody who believes Ian Bush's side is a complete idiot.

Beyond that, the RCMP could so easily gain their credibility back if they had an independent review body like the SIU in Ontario. That's it. That way, if there's a controversial incident, the SIU decides and people go on with their lives. Right now, there's a brou-ha-ha in London Ontario over an officer tasering a kid in the face...as the kid was beating another kid with a chair.

The SIU will investigate and recommend sanction or vindicate him. It's not perfect, but it's better than say, calling in Belleville PD to investigate.

[Scape]

RCMP should not be the defacto policing body for major population centers when they have more then enough tax base to support their own. Having them as it is now is just throwing money at a problem and hopping someone else will deal with it. The RCMP shortcomings are symptoms of a greater malaise. The cities don't want oversight, why should the RCMP for cleaning up their mess? Scapegoating the RCMP is easy but having the people who should be footing the bill shoulder the true cost of a real regional police force is the real issue here.

The RCMP are just fine for hard to police, rural and remote areas. I have no problem with keeping them to cover off but by no means should they be the 1st last and only line of policing. They should be used to cover off on a regional force that the cities run so that major crime units will be under dedicated bureaus with fixed mandates and not mickey mouse operations that operate on the fringes with shoestring budgets and rookie staff.

[RUEZ]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

IIRC, the police stations are paid for by the province. So they are provincial property. And if the RCMP lose their contract, there will be just enough layoffs in the force of experienced Police officers to cover the demand for new hires.

The new city detachment being built in Prince George is being funded by the city. It would remain city property if the RCMP were to leave.