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Posts: 9445
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:25 pm
Bin Laden was shot going for his pants. 
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:56 pm
Pure Semantics. The anal plug wasn't completely unarmed since he used them to pull one of his lucky wives in front of his courageous body to take the bullet for him. End of conversation.
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Posts: 14139
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:38 pm
Gunnair Gunnair: Some may care because shooting unarmed people, even the really bad ones, is considered ungood. Some might wonder why the unarmed guy wasn't brought out to stand trial like other warcrimes practitioners are. Some might think that the US will look bad for executing someone in cold blood.
Certainly the ex-US army officer and consultant they were interviewing on the news tonight voiced those thoughts. Yeah, but some shit stains require something more than simple paperwork to remove them.
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Posts: 23565
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:05 pm
RUEZ RUEZ: Those people in the World Trade Center were unarmed too, so....... Yeah. Let`s just get rid of laws and stuff and have everyone dispence their own justice.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:28 pm
Loud blast as Will Munny empties shotgun into sleazy barkeeper. Body crumples to floor of tavern.
Little Bill Daggett: You just shot an unarmed man!
Will Munny: Well, he should have armed himself.....
- Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven, 1992
PS: Fuck Bin Laden. Bastard still died better than he deserved.
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Posts: 14139
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:52 pm
$1: : Bin Laden 'was shot unarmed' - US Bullshit, he had at least one good arm to hold one of his wives in front of him.
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Posts: 11240
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:00 am
Gunnair Gunnair: Some may care because shooting unarmed people, even the really bad ones, is considered ungood. Some might wonder why the unarmed guy wasn't brought out to stand trial like other warcrimes practitioners are. Some might think that the US will look bad for executing someone in cold blood.
Certainly the ex-US army officer and consultant they were interviewing on the news tonight voiced those thoughts. There are those who might think that the Navy SEALs shooting an unarmed OBL was ungood, but Navy SEALs have to plan for the worst case scenario. The place way well have been booby trapped or he might have had automatic weapons just out of reach or in his case hide behind one of his wives skirts would have put more American lives in danger. As un-nice as it sounds I prefer to see him dead on the floor rather than a Navy SEAL or two. The ACLU can whine about it as much as they like. Outside of Hamas and Venezuela most of the world's nations of least understands.
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CommanderSock
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Posts: 2664
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:00 am
On one hand, OBL was a terrorist scum who was responsible for thousands of deaths even before Sept 11 (like the Nairobi and Dar es Salaam embassy bombings in 1998) and therefore his demise is justice to many across the globe.
On the other hand, I'm apprehensive about US Navy Seals walking into his compound and gunning him down unarmed, without trial, and then dumping overboard. There is something seriously wrong with society that cheers this as an act of bravery. I expect at least some sort of trial. A mock show. Anything really. Even a military tribunal would have been appreciated. Just popping a man in the eye in the middle of the night and getting rid of the body smacks of an Orwellian nightmare world.
OBL was murdering scum, but how long before the governments across the world start to justify killing more men at night without trials...
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Posts: 23565
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:21 am
GreenTiger GreenTiger: Gunnair Gunnair: Some may care because shooting unarmed people, even the really bad ones, is considered ungood. Some might wonder why the unarmed guy wasn't brought out to stand trial like other warcrimes practitioners are. Some might think that the US will look bad for executing someone in cold blood.
Certainly the ex-US army officer and consultant they were interviewing on the news tonight voiced those thoughts. There are those who might think that the Navy SEALs shooting an unarmed OBL was ungood, but Navy SEALs have to plan for the worst case scenario. The place way well have been booby trapped or he might have had automatic weapons just out of reach or in his case hide behind one of his wives skirts would have put more American lives in danger. As un-nice as it sounds I prefer to see him dead on the floor rather than a Navy SEAL or two. The ACLU can whine about it as much as they like. Outside of Hamas and Venezuela most of the world's nations of least understands. Thanks for the lesson. I'm glad your years of experience are paying off.
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Posts: 15681
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:26 am
It’s a tough one which isn’t settling well with me either way I look at it.
Have we lowered ourselves to the level of scum like Bin Laden or are we taking a pragmatic approach in using fire to fight fire?
Certainly most of the enemies of the US and it’s allies have been telling their ovine followers of the Great Satan’s evil ways and this will play into Al Qaeda propaganda quite well.
On the other hand, is it preferable that they do fear this kind of retribution?
It’s in the open now. The US and some of it’s allies, will use extra-judicial killings, murders if you like, in dealing with those that would massacre thousands of innocents in the West.
It’s a real Hobson’s choice.
Play by the rules or kill the bad guys without rules. Like I said, I’m conflicted on this one.
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Posts: 4247
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:39 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Pure Semantics. The anal plug wasn't completely unarmed since he used them to pull one of his lucky wives in front of his courageous body to take the bullet for him. End of conversation. Apparently that didn't happen either. The story is getting thinner and thinner by the day. I guess the story is now that he was shot because he didn't put his hands up and beg for his life. I'm waiting for them to come out say that he wasn't shot by a navy seal but was in fact all ready dead and they just dug up his grave.
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Posts: 35270
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:41 am
They could have hit the compound with a drone attack, as they've done over 200 times in Pakistan alone, and nobody would have wondered if he was armed or not, even civilian casualties would have been called deplorable but inevitable.
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Brenda
CKA Uber
Posts: 50938
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:44 am
raydan raydan: They could have hit the compound with a drone attack, as they've done over 200 times in Pakistan alone, and nobody would have wondered if he was armed or not, even civilian casualties would have been called deplorable but inevitable. I think they did it the right way. Now they have paperwork, computers, pictures, plans, and a dead Bin Laden. If they had bombed the place, they would have nothing, not even certainty Bin Laden would be dead.
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Wada
CKA Elite
Posts: 3355
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:47 am
I'm not conflicted at all. The precedent has been set by no other than the Americans themselves. To bad so sad!
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CommanderSock
Forum Super Elite
Posts: 2664
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:12 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock: It’s a tough one which isn’t settling well with me either way I look at it.
Have we lowered ourselves to the level of scum like Bin Laden or are we taking a pragmatic approach in using fire to fight fire?
Certainly most of the enemies of the US and it’s allies have been telling their ovine followers of the Great Satan’s evil ways and this will play into Al Qaeda propaganda quite well.
On the other hand, is it preferable that they do fear this kind of retribution?
It’s in the open now. The US and some of it’s allies, will use extra-judicial killings, murders if you like, in dealing with those that would massacre thousands of innocents in the West.
It’s a real Hobson’s choice.
Play by the rules or kill the bad guys without rules. Like I said, I’m conflicted on this one. He got it easy EB. He got one for the team... My view is that terrorists are nothing more than glorified buffoons. We're seriously overstretching ourselves for a bunch of rag tag morons who literally set their own pants on fire. In the past the west went from fighting men like Rommel, and Khrushchev to cowering from incompetent young welfare recipients in the UK and a trust fund kid from Saudi. Modern Islamic terrorism is nothing more than organized crime mixed with religion under the pretense of holy war. I for one would've been happier to see him with his beard shaved, humiliated, demystified as just another goon, and his head tucked in between his legs at Gitmo. Instead we gave him martyrdom...
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