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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:11 pm
 


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C_M, the dinosaurs are correct. The media had no clue.


Figure Rwanda would have been the obvious clue for that. Instead Somalia was the highlight of the 90s... Fucking idiots.


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That and OJ was pretty much it.


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One of the most offensive things I've seen is those bumper stickers that say "If you don't support the troops feel free to stand in front of them". I don't know where to even start on that shit.


Agreed. My general observation is that the majority of those bumper stickers are attached to vehicles driven by non combat arms guys. :? They like to think that they are as hard as Christmas candy. :roll:


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We have been mis-lead by our lefty-leaning media for way too long. The myth of the 'peacekeeper' is just another lie promoted by the elite that runs the networks.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:13 am
 


Actually shouldn't cops be the only peace keepers? If you're in a situation that requires the military to 'keep the peace', there isn't any at that point in time.


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I agree Shep. Plus soldiers make really bad cops, unless they leave the army and get the full-on brain transplant.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:19 am
 


a soldiers job is completely different from a police officers. Police are trained to diffuse the situation while soldiers are trained to light the fuse and then count the body parts after the smoke clears.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:42 am
 


Any peacekeeping force is organized with the following six characteristics:
* neutrality (impartiality in the dispute and nonintervention in the fighting)
* light military equipment
* use of force only in self-defense
* consent of the conflicting parties
* prerequisite of a ceasefire agreement
* contribution of contingents on a voluntary basis.

Anybody know of a case where all 6 points were "filled" when peacekeeping began?


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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
a soldiers job is completely different from a police officers. Police are trained to diffuse the situation while soldiers are trained to light the fuse and then count the body parts after the smoke clears.



Exactly. Sending soldiers to 'police' (aka Somalia) never works that well.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:22 am
 


The collapse of the Austro Hungarian Empire simply unleashed a can of ethnic worms in central Europe.

Those worms are still wiggling around...


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:32 am
 


The Austro-Hungarian Empire was maggoty before it fell.


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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
The Austro-Hungarian Empire was maggoty before it fell.



And lots of maggots before that, another 1000 years worth.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:34 am
 


raydan raydan:
Any peacekeeping force is organized with the following six characteristics:
* neutrality (impartiality in the dispute and nonintervention in the fighting)
* light military equipment
* use of force only in self-defense
* consent of the conflicting parties
* prerequisite of a ceasefire agreement
* contribution of contingents on a voluntary basis.

Anybody know of a case where all 6 points were "filled" when peacekeeping began?


When peacekeeping began, the only point that stayed the same was the last one. What Pearson originally envisioned was effectively lining a column of tanks up in between the opposing forces with the intent that neither side would fire due to retaliation of both the enemy and the peacekeeping forces. It was a concept similar to MAD: SAD - Self Assured Destruction. If you fire on an enemy twice your size, you are guaranteed to lose and effectively ensuring your own destruction.

For the most part, Pearson's concept was implemented, and was successful.


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For the most part, Pearson's concept was implemented, and was successful.


See that was what I was talking about - at one time our peacekeeping efforts did produce success. Gotta admit I forgot about Somalia tho I remember Bosnia and Rwanda. I don't know if the missions changed or our response to them, but it all seems to have gone south lately. Maybe it's just a different world, in which case we should be choosing our involvement much more carefully, and not stay in at all costs if the nature of the mission changes and becomes untenable. Way too much politics involved in all this - where the Reformacons were trying to make political hay by being the tough guys, except they weren't being the ones doing the fighting. You want to be tough, go fight yourself. Otherwise only send our soldiers in harm's way if there is an urgent reason for Canada or it's allies to do so. Then, as Scpc For says, go in all the way, none of this European stuff of sending a few troops with one hand tied behind their back. They probably would have lent more support sending just cooks to give our troops some good European cooking.


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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
For the most part, Pearson's concept was implemented, and was successful.


See that was what I was talking about - at one time our peacekeeping efforts did produce success. Gotta admit I forgot about Somalia tho I remember Bosnia and Rwanda. I don't know if the missions changed or our response to them, but it all seems to have gone south lately. Maybe it's just a different world, in which case we should be choosing our involvement much more carefully, and not stay in at all costs if the nature of the mission changes and becomes untenable. Way too much politics involved in all this - where the Reformacons were trying to make political hay by being the tough guys, except they weren't being the ones doing the fighting. You want to be tough, go fight yourself. Otherwise only send our soldiers in harm's way if there is an urgent reason for Canada or it's allies to do so. Then, as Scpc For says, go in all the way, none of this European stuff of sending a few troops with one hand tied behind their back. They probably would have lent more support sending just cooks to give our troops some good European cooking.


Actually the european kitchens in KAF were garbage. I'd rather eat the food given to us by our cooks in the fob out the sides of the cooking trailers.


Should tell you enough. ;)


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