[Bruce_the_vii]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Bodah Bodah:

Welcome to Ontario where we tax the shit out of you.

Electricity is already heavily SUBSIDIZED by the Ontario government. It's not "taxing the shit out of you" when it costs $0.80/kwh to produce electricity and its being sold to Ontarians for $0.45/kwh.

Don't people know what they are being charged for electricity? In Toronto it's about 12 cents Kwhr, with an electricity price of 7.4 cents. Certainly not 45 cents. My understanding is McGuinty will pay 80 cents Kwhr for solar power though, not that it exists.

http://www.torontohydro.com/sites/elect ... Rates.aspx

[desertdude]

What is the average bill of a household there anyway ?
And are you guys 110 like the US or 220 like the rest of the world ?

[Bruce_the_vii]

Electricity in Ontario is slightly higher in price than most of the United States. This is because we have some 19 built in Canada nuclear reactors that are more expensive than coal.

We are 110 in Canada. In fact everything in Canada is more like the United States than the UK as the compatability issue with the neighbour goes back to early times, well over 100 years.

[Bodah]

desertdude desertdude:

What is the average bill of a household there anyway ?
And are you guys 110 like the US or 220 like the rest of the world ?

I live in an appartment, average bill is around 25$ a month during the winter at its coldest about $50. Would be cheaper if I gave a shit about turning off lights and what not.

[desertdude]

Thats not much at all ? Pretty small to be honest. I was until a few back paying over a 100 USD and as much as 150 USD per month here, a country which uses mostly diesel for power and sits on top of a shit load of oil !

Oh and does that amount include water usage aswell ?

[martin14]

no, I think thats Bodahs' electricty bill, and my guess is he doesnt heat
with electricty, but with water/hot air.

Or he has a real small apartment.


water, sewage, garbage removal, maintenace all separate -- sometimes.

[Bodah]

desertdude desertdude:

Thats not much at all ? Pretty small to be honest. I was until a few back paying over a 100 USD and as much as 150 USD per month here, a country which uses mostly diesel for power and sits on top of a shit load of oil !

Oh and does that amount include water usage aswell ?

I don't pay for hot water the landlord does its reflected in my rent.

[PluggyRug]

desertdude desertdude:

And are you guys 110 like the US or 220 like the rest of the world ?

Actually it's 120v and 240v.

Electricity meters record current flow.

Double the voltage means half the current...(W=VxI). A 240v heater for example will draw half the current of a 120v for a given wattage value.

eg...a 2KW heater draws...2000/240=8.3 amps and 2000/120=16.6 amps.

The lower current with a 240v supply is safer due to less heat being generated at resistance(R) points.

With the McGuinty crowd it's all Electrickery.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Electrickery, lol

[HaRdLy]

Bodah Bodah:

desertdude desertdude:

What is the average bill of a household there anyway ?
And are you guys 110 like the US or 220 like the rest of the world ?

I live in an appartment, average bill is around 25$ a month during the winter at its coldest about $50. Would be cheaper if I gave a shit about turning off lights and what not.

WOW! $25 average? Try $60 to $80 on average.

[EyeBrock]

The Ontario Liberals and their FIT program to bring in green energy during our worst recession since before WW2 was idiotic.

We are locked in for twenty years into buying very expensive wind and solar power for 80 cents a kw/hr from private industry using taxpayers money to develop their technology.

Governments doing this stuff never works. The net result is that we will be paying 5 times the tariff for domestic hydro in 5 years than we are paying now.

Windmills and solar power isn't a viable energy alternative at the present. I don't want to pay 5 times what I’m paying now to get Samsung etc to their company goals.

The Liberals will lose the election on this alone.

[Alta_redneck]

HaRdLy HaRdLy:

Bodah Bodah:

I live in an appartment, average bill is around 25$ a month during the winter at its coldest about $50. Would be cheaper if I gave a shit about turning off lights and what not.

WOW! $25 average? Try $60 to $80 on average.

I'm going to raise you $10 and say $70 to $90 for a house, and we shut lights off.

[stokes]

I moved from BC to Ontario a year ago and I am astounded by the cost of electricity in Ontario, My bi-monthly bill more than doubled since I moved here, plus my hot water is now gas instead of electricity. I was paying between 90 - 100 a bill in BC now I am paying 230+ in Ont.

I am also paying more for Insurance, Water, food, phone, internet and cable, plus for the first time in 15 years I owed thousands on my taxes at the end of the year!

Ontario.....centre of the universe?



More the like the black hole in which all money disappears.

[Lemmy]

Actually, the cost of living is slightly higher in BC than Ontario. In general, wages and disposable income are also slightly higher in Ontario than BC.

[2Cdo]

stokes stokes:

I moved from BC to Ontario a year ago and I am astounded by the cost of electricity in Ontario, My bi-monthly bill more than doubled since I moved here, plus my hot water is now gas instead of electricity. I was paying between 90 - 100 a bill in BC now I am paying 230+ in Ont.

I am also paying more for Insurance, Water, food, phone, internet and cable, plus for the first time in 15 years I owed thousands on my taxes at the end of the year!

Ontario.....centre of the universe?



More the like the black hole in which all money disappears.

I moved here in 2002 from Manitoba and watched all my utility bills increase by 25-50% and usage was the same. Car and home owners insurance went up, groceries up, gas for vehicles up.

All this and had to put up with regular black/brown outs(including the big one in the summer of 03). I had more power outages in my first year here than I did in 9 YEARS in Winnipeg.

If it wasn't so close to family I would head back out west tommorrow. The Liberals under the lying sack of shit McGuinty have completely ruined Ontario.