[Demian_164]

Proculation Proculation:

Like I said in other threads, I see a lot of young girls wearing what I call the "full face" while going to the park next my house. Don't tell me it's their 'choice'. That's disgraceful in our society to do that to a young girl of 10-11-12 yo.

My pharmacist wears a veil. I don't have any problem with that. That's nice in a sense. And she's very open and 'integrated' in our society. You can tell it's her choice to wear the veil.

But the niqab... that's totally against the equality of the genders. What non-brainwashed woman would want to live like that ?

The women fought for so long to be respected. We can't allow that.

these people come from different cultures and religious backgrounds. what is normal for oyu might not be normal for them. they most likely disagree with our ideas of womens "liberation". if we want to live in a free society we should accept that they disagree. i dont think you can call someone who does something you dont like "brain-washed". actually we a re all brain washed. if we came from saudi arabia we would have different ideas about the niqab.

women fought for so long to be equals, not to be told what they can and cannot wear. banning an article of clothing will set a terrible precedent

[Bodah]

Proculation Proculation:

andyt andyt:

WTF exactly is the diff between the veil and the niqab? A veil covers the face, the niqab covers the face. I'm unclear about the distinction.

The veil is the piece of tissue that is on the hair and the neck. The niqab covers all except the eyes to see. It usually comes with a full dress covering all the body except the hands and the feet.

The one that covers the hair and neck is called a head scarf Proc. The niqab is the full veil the burka is the full veil ples the mesh screen over the eyes.

[Proculation]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

Proculation Proculation:

Like I said in other threads, I see a lot of young girls wearing what I call the "full face" while going to the park next my house. Don't tell me it's their 'choice'. That's disgraceful in our society to do that to a young girl of 10-11-12 yo.

My pharmacist wears a veil. I don't have any problem with that. That's nice in a sense. And she's very open and 'integrated' in our society. You can tell it's her choice to wear the veil.

But the niqab... that's totally against the equality of the genders. What non-brainwashed woman would want to live like that ?

The women fought for so long to be respected. We can't allow that.

these people come from different cultures and religious backgrounds. what is normal for oyu might not be normal for them. they most likely disagree with our ideas of womens "liberation". if we want to live in a free society we should accept that they disagree. i dont think you can call someone who does something you dont like "brain-washed". actually we a re all brain washed. if we came from saudi arabia we would have different ideas about the niqab.

women fought for so long to be equals, not to be told what they can and cannot wear. banning an article of clothing will set a terrible precedent

That's the problem. We have a society where women are free. The little girls I'm talking about, they were surely born here. Here, we have freedom. If you come here, you have to accept the culture is different, that you are in Canada. I totally don't believe in the kind of multiculturalism that create multiple groups who do not believe in our culture, our freedom and our rights and liberties. Women are equals to men, point. If a 'real Canadian' uses backwards idea (in our standard) like that and refuse his wife to act freely and work, that's totally non-acceptable and unconstitutional. In Canada, we are made equal. Women work, vote and move freely. That's our culture and in my point of view that's not negotiable.

Like I said, I don't care for a woman wearing a hidjab/veil in her hair. I know my pharmacist is totally free, you can tell while speaking to her. But she believe in a religion. The same thing that I don't care a Christian wearing a necklace with a cross or a Jew wearing a beard in public. That's freedom of religion.

My point is that the equality between women and men should be HIGHER in the Charter than the liberty of religion. We don't accept sects that control people and place a 'leader' who decide for everyone. We should not accept that Muslims women are obligated to wear burqa and be considered lower in the society than a man.

That's a subject that really 'touches' me because of all I see in Montreal. The Muslims are not integrated at all in our society. When I go to the corner store, the owner is a Chinese. He speaks French quite good but he's much better in English. So I speak to him in English. But you can see he is a Canadian, living in our society. His son speaks French with no accent at all and play video games in the backstore. But still, they are immigrant with a culture and I love to talk to him about China and how it was and how you pronounce that sentence. That's totally not the same thing with hardcore Muslims who stay in there getto and want to live like if they were in Saudi Arabia.

Ok I will stop my rant now

[Proculation]

Bodah Bodah:

Proculation Proculation:

andyt andyt:

WTF exactly is the diff between the veil and the niqab? A veil covers the face, the niqab covers the face. I'm unclear about the distinction.

The veil is the piece of tissue that is on the hair and the neck. The niqab covers all except the eyes to see. It usually comes with a full dress covering all the body except the hands and the feet.

The one that covers the hair and neck is called a head scarf Proc. The niqab is the full veil the burka is the full veil ples the mesh screen over the eyes.

Well sorry. Lost in translation. In French we say "un voile". Or a hidjab.

[raydan]

I've seen the head scarf a lot... mostly on "older" Lebanese women.
Kinda cute, actually.

Unrelated... while surfing for a head scarf photo to post I found this.
I knew there was a movie called Chocolat, but not Caramel.
Has anybody seen this?

[Proculation]

@raydan: my pharmacist is very cute I agree that it could be 'sexy' a 'head scarf'. They have a lot of models.

[Demian_164]

Proculation Proculation:

Demian_164 Demian_164:

Proculation Proculation:

Like I said in other threads, I see a lot of young girls wearing what I call the "full face" while going to the park next my house. Don't tell me it's their 'choice'. That's disgraceful in our society to do that to a young girl of 10-11-12 yo.

My pharmacist wears a veil. I don't have any problem with that. That's nice in a sense. And she's very open and 'integrated' in our society. You can tell it's her choice to wear the veil.

But the niqab... that's totally against the equality of the genders. What non-brainwashed woman would want to live like that ?

The women fought for so long to be respected. We can't allow that.

these people come from different cultures and religious backgrounds. what is normal for oyu might not be normal for them. they most likely disagree with our ideas of womens "liberation". if we want to live in a free society we should accept that they disagree. i dont think you can call someone who does something you dont like "brain-washed". actually we a re all brain washed. if we came from saudi arabia we would have different ideas about the niqab.

women fought for so long to be equals, not to be told what they can and cannot wear. banning an article of clothing will set a terrible precedent

That's the problem. We have a society where women are free. The little girls I'm talking about, they were surely born here. Here, we have freedom. If you come here, you have to accept the culture is different, that you are in Canada. I totally don't believe in the kind of multiculturalism that create multiple groups who do not believe in our culture, our freedom and our rights and liberties. Women are equals to men, point. If a 'real Canadian' uses backwards idea (in our standard) like that and refuse his wife to act freely and work, that's totally non-acceptable and unconstitutional. In Canada, we are made equal. Women work, vote and move freely. That's our culture and in my point of view that's not negotiable.

Like I said, I don't care for a woman wearing a hidjab/veil in her hair. I know my pharmacist is totally free, you can tell while speaking to her. But she believe in a religion. The same thing that I don't care a Christian wearing a necklace with a cross or a Jew wearing a beard in public. That's freedom of religion.

My point is that the equality between women and men should be HIGHER in the Charter than the liberty of religion. We don't accept sects that control people and place a 'leader' who decide for everyone. We should not accept that Muslims women are obligated to wear burqa and be considered lower in the society than a man.

That's a subject that really 'touches' me because of all I see in Montreal. The Muslims are not integrated at all in our society. When I go to the corner store, the owner is a Chinese. He speaks French quite good but he's much better in English. So I speak to him in English. But you can see he is a Canadian, living in our society. His son speaks French with no accent at all and play video games in the backstore. But still, they are immigrant with a culture and I love to talk to him about China and how it was and how you pronounce that sentence. That's totally not the same thing with hardcore Muslims who stay in there getto and want to live like if they were in Saudi Arabia.

Ok I will stop my rant now

i agree with you about multi-culturalism, i dont believe in it either...but the fact is thats the society we live in. thats what our governmeny believes in and also most canadians. and if the girls are born here..so what? should you have more a say over what someones child wears than their parents? i dont think you woul dlike the reverse put on to you.

most muslim women choose to wear it.

if a man treats his wife like crap and forces her to wear certain things/do certain things-this can be treated under already existing laws. i dont think, as someone who champions freedom so much, you can really think the idea of the government being able to legislate what we are and are not allowed to wear is a good thing?

[Proculation]

"most muslim women choose to wear it."

Sorry but I don't believe in that. The little girls are born in that family and for them it's like that. They must follow the rules. That's not a choice they are "programmed" to do a certain thing !

We saw a lot of stories lately about 'honor crimes'. Parents, brothers, killing/mutilating a girl because she did not behave correctly (read: she wanted to live like us). It's not every Muslims but it exists. I see it almost everyday in Montreal. Seriously, do you really think a 10 yo girl "choose" to wear a burqa to go to the park ? What she wants is to play and have fun. Not sweat under a black robe covering all her body @ 35 celcius.

[EyeBrock]

Proculation Proculation:

andyt andyt:

WTF exactly is the diff between the veil and the niqab? A veil covers the face, the niqab covers the face. I'm unclear about the distinction.

The veil is the piece of tissue that is on the hair and the neck. The niqab covers all except the eyes to see. It usually comes with a full dress covering all the body except the hands and the feet.

Nah, bad gen Proc!

The Hijab is the hair/neck covering, the Niqab is the slitty-eyed bag on the head.

[Proculation]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Proculation Proculation:

andyt andyt:

WTF exactly is the diff between the veil and the niqab? A veil covers the face, the niqab covers the face. I'm unclear about the distinction.

The veil is the piece of tissue that is on the hair and the neck. The niqab covers all except the eyes to see. It usually comes with a full dress covering all the body except the hands and the feet.

Nah, bad gen Proc!

The Hijab is the hair/neck covering, the Niqab is the slitty-eyed bag on the head.

I didn't say otherwise. Like I said, it was a bad French to English translation. I totally know what's the difference between the hijab, the burqa and the niqab. I live with them.

[kenmore]

FACTS ABOUT ISLAM
About Islam; Why Do Muslim Women Have To Wear Head Covers? by Kris A.O.

Many people in the West believe head covers are required attire for Muslim Women. Most Muslim women, for that matter, are not sure what God's exact requirements are for their "Islamic" dress code. Since religious scholars come from diverse religious schools of thought, then of course there are vast differences between what's consider to be appropriate women's clothing. Some believe head covers are a necessity for pious Muslim women, while others don't. In order to come to the correct understanding on required garments, it is important to explore what God tells us through His scripture, the Quran. Refering back to the Quran allows us to avoid confusion from contrasting opinions. There will be no contradictions, and the truth will be exhibited.

Upon referencing the English Quran tanslation by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, we find nowhere in the Quran does it require women to cover their hair, arms, legs, etc. The religious rules imposing head covers, or Hijab, are from sources outside of the Quran; mainly from religious scholar’s edicts, and Hadith [1]. However, it is not wrong to wear head covers on account of cultural tradition, and so rules should not be imposed stating that head covers can not be worn. The rules in the Quran for women’s dress code are as follows. First, the best garment is the garment of righteousness; for women and men [2]. Second, women shall cover their chests, and reveal only what is necessary. This implies modesty [3]. Third, women shall lengthen their garments to be recognized as righteous [4]. Fourth and final, women AND men shall subdue their eyes and maintain their chastity [5]. We can now see that in the Quran, the parameters of the Muslim women's dress code are simple and unimposing [6].

Relevant Quran Verses: [1] 12:111, 31:6, 39:23, 39:29, 45:6, 52:34; [2] 7:26; [3] 24:31; [4] 33:59; [5] 24:30-31; [6] Appendix 18, and Appendix 19 of the Quran translation by Rashad Khalifa. http://www.godsmosque.org/AboutIslamHeadcovers.html

[GreenTiger]

If they want to wear a hood that is fine. I draw the line at face coverings. That has to do with security not Islamophobia. If it were ever to come to pass that face coveringings as well as hoods were okay, the the liberal left would be giving the same rightsts to the KKK. Ever think of that one?

[kenmore]

Exactly, like in Iraq's bombing this week-end. Men wearing burkas

[Demian_164]

kenmore kenmore:

Exactly, like in Iraq's bombing this week-end. Men wearing burkas

burkas arent a requirement for bombing...americans do it in plain uniform every day

[kenmore]

Interesting ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf5EEV2p ... re=related