[Zipperfish]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Are you inferring that the sentence this woman is under has anything to do with the civilized world?

Is it propaganda to hope that she gets set free?

It is true that some of us hold these and other barbaric practices up to ridicule. So what?

We hope that the Iran Justice system will evolve to something that reflects a fair and compassionate judicial system. The Iranian people deserve it.

I won't say that what they have now is it.

This same stuff popped up for about a year before teh invasion adn occupation of Iraq. Every couple of days some new atrocity at the hands of Saddam. Some of them were probably true. The Iranian security state is a nasty piece of work--you won't get any argument from me tehre.

But there are several --dozens--of countries in the world just as brutal. Most of Africa and Asia, for example. Some South American countries. But we don't see much about those, becasue theya re not the "enemy" right now. It's very Orwellian whne you think about it--"Iraq is the enemy. Iraq has always beent he enemey" and then, the next day "Iran is the enemy. Iran has always been the eney." I just get a kicki out of how easy it is. How malleable popular opinion is by those in control.

[GreenTiger]

desertdude desertdude:

For the Record : Iran is a Piece of Shit country and in no shape or form does it represent Islam or Muslims. Just because it says it is and does not make it true.

On an average around two people are executed in Iran for anything for " crimes against chastity " to petty theft and the most common method of execution is one of the most cruel and suffering. By being slowly raised by a crane by the neck until the condemned die. Can take up anywhere up to 20 minutes for the person to die.

My heart goes out to the woman and her son.

This truly is propoganda, by implying countries like Iran and organisations like the Taliban are what Muslims are really like and are a true representation of Islam.

You are right. In Iran they are doing these executions in the name of Islam and we hear them and believe them. The fact is is that Iran is a simply a weird fascist state. They don't speak for Islam anymore than Pat Robertson speaks for the Catholic Church.

Youtube is full of the executions desertdude has described.
When my father was flying all over the middle east Iran was spoke of in the same way North Korea is described as today as a dump of a country.

What is going on with this woman has nothing to do with Islam. She is in a very bad position being on the "wrong" side while being in a police state. She is suffering because of a brutal regime.

I feel for bad for her and her son.

[GreenTiger]

desertdude desertdude:

For the Record : Iran is a Piece of Shit country and in no shape or form does it represent Islam or Muslims. Just because it says it is and does not make it true.

On an average around two people are executed in Iran for anything for " crimes against chastity " to petty theft and the most common method of execution is one of the most cruel and suffering. By being slowly raised by a crane by the neck until the condemned die. Can take up anywhere up to 20 minutes for the person to die.

My heart goes out to the woman and her son.

This truly is propoganda, by implying countries like Iran and organisations like the Taliban are what Muslims are really like and are a true representation of Islam.

Iran feels like it is defending Islam and portrays its actions wrapped in religion the way they want to see it and the way they way they want us to see it.

Islam is followed by many many good decent and kind people.
Given the way the world is it is easy to react to this in a negative way and assume that this goes on all over the mideast. It doesn't. The impression I have is that Islam itself has been hijacked by pirates like the ships around the horn of Africa.

[Arctic_Menace]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

This should all remiond us once again that Islam is the relgion of "peace"

And is apparently full of volunteers who are or support LGBT people and advocate for their rights.

http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/891-muslim ... -amsterdam

[Brenda]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

This should all remiond us once again that Islam is the relgion of "peace"

And is apparently full of volunteers who are or support LGBT people and advocate for their rights.

http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/891-muslim ... -amsterdam

(although I don't agree with them (or anyone) renting that place for almost nothing )

[saturn_656]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

But there are several --dozens--of countries in the world just as brutal. Most of Africa and Asia, for example. Some South American countries. But we don't see much about those, becasue theya re not the "enemy" right now. It's very Orwellian whne you think about it--"Iraq is the enemy. Iraq has always beent he enemey" and then, the next day "Iran is the enemy. Iran has always been the eney." I just get a kicki out of how easy it is. How malleable popular opinion is by those in control.

Iraq became the enemy when they took over Kuwait in 1990. Threatened the stability of the worlds oil supply.

Iran became the enemy back in 1979 when the fundamentalists took over the country and they started raiding embassies. Even more so when Iran made a hobby out of sinking Kuwaiti tankers in the Persian Gulf.

Prior to that, Iran was a American ally.

They were not "always" the enemy. Their "international antics" made them the enemy.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

But there are several --dozens--of countries in the world just as brutal (as Iran). Most of Africa and Asia, for example.

Indeed. South Africa has the distinction of one of the most awful human rights records with government officials "necklacing" political opponents, journalists, human rights activists, and etc.

But they get away with it and the liberal media turns a blind eye to the atrocities in South Africa (mostly against rural and poor black people) because of the ongoing media infatuation with socialist regimes.

[Zipperfish]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Iraq became the enemy when they took over Kuwait in 1990. Threatened the stability of the worlds oil supply.

Iran became the enemy back in 1979 when the fundamentalists took over the country and they started raiding embassies. Even more so when Iran made a hobby out of sinking Kuwaiti tankers in the Persian Gulf.

Prior to that, Iran was a American ally.

They were not "always" the enemy. Their "international antics" made them the enemy.

Actually, it's a little more complex than that. Trying reading about the overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953.

I was talking about the propaganda--how before the Iraq war, there was a blanketing of propaganda about Iraq. Remember those "So-damn Insane" t-shirts? Propaganda 101 states that you must portray the leader of the enemy as insane.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Indeed. South Africa has the distinction of one of the most awful human rights records with government officials "necklacing" political opponents, journalists, human rights activists, and etc.

But they get away with it and the liberal media turns a blind eye to the atrocities in South Africa (mostly against rural and poor black people) because of the ongoing media infatuation with socialist regimes.

You persist with this myth of the liberal media, and have yet to show any evidence of it. Again--because you are so far right, you perceive the media--even objective media--as left wing. Because you do not yet have the wisdom to account for your biases, you assume that you have an unbiased viewpoint.

And for historical correctness, it should be added that there have been some awful American-supported regimes in South America, just as bad as anything the Maoists or Communists managed. El Salvador, Cuba, lots of others.

But I agree, the media usually fixate on one or two countries.

[jeff744]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

But there are several --dozens--of countries in the world just as brutal. Most of Africa and Asia, for example. Some South American countries. But we don't see much about those, becasue theya re not the "enemy" right now. It's very Orwellian whne you think about it--"Iraq is the enemy. Iraq has always beent he enemey" and then, the next day "Iran is the enemy. Iran has always been the eney." I just get a kicki out of how easy it is. How malleable popular opinion is by those in control.

Iraq became the enemy when they took over Kuwait in 1990. Threatened the stability of the worlds oil supply.

Iran became the enemy back in 1979 when the fundamentalists took over the country and they started raiding embassies. Even more so when Iran made a hobby out of sinking Kuwaiti tankers in the Persian Gulf.

Prior to that, Iran was a American ally.

They were not "always" the enemy. Their "international antics" made them the enemy.

They were a stable(for the time) democracy until America and Britain turned them into an ally by placing a mass murdering king in charge of their country because Iran wanted to nationalize the oil industry. The current regime is several times better than the one they had before, the difference is that now they are not an ally of the west so the press has a free pass at pointing out everything to do wrong.

The current regime will end soon enough, the government are the only ones who support their current methods, most of Iran is actually pro-west.

[jeff744]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Indeed. South Africa has the distinction of one of the most awful human rights records with government officials "necklacing" political opponents, journalists, human rights activists, and etc.

But they get away with it and the liberal media turns a blind eye to the atrocities in South Africa (mostly against rural and poor black people) because of the ongoing media infatuation with socialist regimes.

You persist with this myth of the liberal media, and have yet to show any evidence of it. Again--because you are so far right, you perceive the media--even objective media--as left wing. Because you do not yet have the wisdom to account for your biases, you assume that you have an unbiased viewpoint.

And for historical correctness, it should be added that there have been some awful American-supported regimes in South America, just as bad as anything the Maoists or Communists managed. El Salvador, Cuba, lots of others.

But I agree, the media usually fixate on one or two countries.

During the cold war both sides were equally bad for foreign nations, the only difference was who's weapons were used.

[saturn_656]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Actually, it's a little more complex than that. Trying reading about the overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953.

The issues with Iran go back farther than 1953.

Iran is a excellent case study in what happens when you refuse to play ball.

$1:

I was talking about the propaganda--how before the Iraq war, there was a blanketing of propaganda about Iraq. Remember those "So-damn Insane" t-shirts? Propaganda 101 states that you must portray the leader of the enemy as insane.

The US didn't have to do anything to vilify Saddam. The man was a monster.

[jeff744]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Actually, it's a little more complex than that. Trying reading about the overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953.

The issues with Iran go back farther than 1953.

Iran is a excellent case study in what happens when you refuse to play ball.

$1:

I was talking about the propaganda--how before the Iraq war, there was a blanketing of propaganda about Iraq. Remember those "So-damn Insane" t-shirts? Propaganda 101 states that you must portray the leader of the enemy as insane.

The US didn't have to do anything to vilify Saddam. The man was a monster.

The USA is an excellent case study in what happens when a nation believes they own the world and that anything that does not follow their views or help them must be destroyed. Iran was far better off before the US meddled than after.

[saturn_656]

jeff744 jeff744:

The USA is an excellent case study in what happens when a nation believes they own the world and that anything that does not follow their views or help them must be destroyed. Iran was far better off before the US meddled than after.

If you read on Iranian history, the American intervention was actually at the behest of the United Kingdom.

[jeff744]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

jeff744 jeff744:

The USA is an excellent case study in what happens when a nation believes they own the world and that anything that does not follow their views or help them must be destroyed. Iran was far better off before the US meddled than after.

If you read on Iranian history, the American intervention was actually at the behest of the United Kingdom.

Both of which are equally guilty and for America Iran is simply another nation they forced a mass murderer upon.