[herbie]

Canada didn't sign the Churchill Falls deal for N&L. And where have all those fisheries ministers come from, Saskatchewan?
And we've got a PM from Alberta and the 'separatists' are still whining.
That's their nature, petty whiney little shits that think they'll feel like bigger fish if only the barrel's smaller.
Fuck 'em all.
You don't like Canada? There's an airport down the road. Use it.
You wanna fix things? Then STFU and help. With glue and polish, not a fucking axe.

[Bacardi4206]

I welcome Quebec and anybody else who wishes to join them to indeed leave Canada. Canada is a great country full of understanding and respect for certon rights such as for example. The right to speak french. I'd like to see them get that same right and respect from some other country. The only country Quebec could turn to would be France, despite France disliking Quebec and wanting to have nothing to do with them. Anywhere else they would have to integrate into there language laws. Quebec is a province that offers nothing to this country besides whining and stirring up shit. They rake in so much money from all these scam threats. I say it's time to tell them to fuck off, stop throwing money at them everytime they make a threat and infact just roll your eyes when they do infact threaten to leave. I welcome it because it would not be long before Quebec comes crawling back to Canada and Canada would be in a position to slap Quebec across the face.

[PostFactum]

It's not the question why not? I think that more probably will be the question "Why?"

[angler57]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

Dear cocksucking faggot,

Fuck off with trying to break apart this fine country.

Neither your age, possible lack of knowledge our even your anger could excuse your response above.
Rude and thoughtless behavior never has or will solve a problem.

[Lemmy]

The people of Newfoundland ought to remember what happened the last time they tried independence. The Newfs, having gained Dominion status in the early 1900s, spent (literally) their 30 years of independence mismanaging their resources and mismanaging their finances. They then had to crawl back to Britain for a bailout, at the cost of their independence. And does it make ANY sense for the greatest "have not" province in a Federal system to try and go it alone? Nice try, Gilles, but you're just not that bright.

[DerbyX]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The people of Newfoundland ought to remember what happened the last time they tried independence. The Newfs, having gained Dominion status in the early 1900s, spent (literally) their 30 years of independence mismanaging their resources and mismanaging their finances. They then had to crawl back to Britain for a bailout, at the cost of their independence. And does it make ANY sense for the greatest "have not" province in a Federal system to try and go it alone? Nice try, Gilles, but you're just not that bright.

Careful. Newfette might still be around and she knows how to clean and gut a seal in order a minute. You might take a little longer though.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The people of Newfoundland ought to remember what happened the last time they tried independence. The Newfs, having gained Dominion status in the early 1900s, spent (literally) their 30 years of independence mismanaging their resources and mismanaging their finances. They then had to crawl back to Britain for a bailout, at the cost of their independence. And does it make ANY sense for the greatest "have not" province in a Federal system to try and go it alone? Nice try, Gilles, but you're just not that bright.

Newfoundland has never been an independent country. It was a self-governing Dominion of the UK but any illusion of independence was proven as just that when the UK resumed direct governance during the 1930's Depression.

Newfoundland became very close to the USA during WW2 and if it left Canada it would no doubt be welcomed into the fold if it approached the USA for statehood.

[EyeBrock]

These are all salient points re NFLD. But.....try saying that in a bar in St Johns on a Friday night. Maybe wear a 'save the seals' t-shirt while you are saying it for full effect.

All I am saying is that there are two sides to the NFLD vs Canada debate, saying they can 'just fuck-off if they don't like it' isn't a solution.

Some of NFLD's concerns are founded and have merit, dismissing them is inviting further misunderstanding and alienation.

[EyeBrock]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Lemmy Lemmy:

The people of Newfoundland ought to remember what happened the last time they tried independence. The Newfs, having gained Dominion status in the early 1900s, spent (literally) their 30 years of independence mismanaging their resources and mismanaging their finances. They then had to crawl back to Britain for a bailout, at the cost of their independence. And does it make ANY sense for the greatest "have not" province in a Federal system to try and go it alone? Nice try, Gilles, but you're just not that bright.

Newfoundland has never been an independent country. It was a self-governing Dominion of the UK but any illusion of independence was proven as just that when the UK resumed direct governance during the 1930's Depression.

Newfoundland became very close to the USA during WW2 and if it left Canada it would no doubt be welcomed into the fold if it approached the USA for statehood.

Bart/Lemmy, if you look at what happened in the late 1940's, there was a large portion of NFLD that actively wanted to join the US and the pressure was on to make 'Union with the USA' option #3.
The Brit's caved into Canadian pressure and refused to add the USA option to the ballot choices.

Otherwise the Newfies would be verbally destroying American English instead of Canadian English. Lordy-dines.

[NewfieBullet]

Shockin' dat is, shockin b'y, Ya got da face only a mutter could luv.

[angler57]

Had a terrific fella marry into the family years ago. He was from Prince Edward Island.
He had served in the British Navy and the US Navy, serving on the carrier USS Enterprise.
Not sure if he was in the British Navy our, our navy when he was in the Falklands.
He always said until his twenties while growing-up on the island, that folks there never thought of themselves as Canadian.
They were Islanders. There was no bridge at that time.

And everyone in the states loves this headliner from the Grand Ole Opry. A gift to us from Nova Scotia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=nJQ1noW-5_s

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Newfoundland has never been an independent country. It was a self-governing Dominion of the UK but any illusion of independence was proven as just that when the UK resumed direct governance during the 1930's Depression.

The UK resumed governance after the people of Newfoundland voted in a referendum to return to colonial status. A "self-governing dominion" is exactly what Canada was at that time as well. They were an independent country, just as Canada was, despite the constitutional ties, some of which still exist post-1982.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Newfoundland became very close to the USA during WW2 and if it left Canada it would no doubt be welcomed into the fold if it approached the USA for statehood.

Just can't shake that "manifest destiny"-thing, can you?

[GreenTiger]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

I welcome Quebec and anybody else who wishes to join them to indeed leave Canada. Canada is a great country full of understanding and respect for certon rights such as for example. The right to speak french. I'd like to see them get that same right and respect from some other country. The only country Quebec could turn to would be France, despite France disliking Quebec and wanting to have nothing to do with them. Anywhere else they would have to integrate into there language laws. Quebec is a province that offers nothing to this country besides whining and stirring up shit. They rake in so much money from all these scam threats. I say it's time to tell them to fuck off, stop throwing money at them everytime they make a threat and infact just roll your eyes when they do infact threaten to leave. I welcome it because it would not be long before Quebec comes crawling back to Canada and Canada would be in a position to slap Quebec across the face.

Is there anything positive that comes from Quebec? I hear lots of demands/whinning and lot lots and lots money being thrown them, but I don't hear of much in the way of contributions from Quebec. Do these contributions take place behind the scenes?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Actually, Duceppe needs to fuck off. He knows damn well that a LOT of NFLD's economic problems have indeed been caused by the Bloc trying preventing the flow of cash going any farther east than Quebec.
Then, sandorski mentions that the Feds paid for the Hibernia project, which is true. The problem is, Quebec sees more of that oil money than friggin NFLD does.

I mean really, it's about the same thing as me taking half of somebody's paycheque for nothing, then telling them they should quit their job because their boss is a cheap prick because after I take my piece of their pie, there isn't enough left for them to live on.

[EyeBrock]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Actually, Duceppe needs to fuck off. He knows damn well that a LOT of NFLD's economic problems have indeed been caused by the Bloc trying preventing the flow of cash going any farther east than Quebec.
Then, sandorski mentions that the Feds paid for the Hibernia project, which is true. The problem is, Quebec sees more of that oil money than friggin NFLD does.

I mean really, it's about the same thing as me taking half of somebody's paycheque for nothing, then telling them they should quit their job because their boss is a cheap prick because after I take my piece of their pie, there isn't enough left for them to live on.

The Feds funded Hibernia as economic development, as did the big oil companies so they got their cut. This is no different to other schemes across the country, be it GM/Chrysler bailouts, forestry, West Coast salmon, aid to Western farmers etc.

Oil as a resource is in the ownership the province of NFLD. Obviously the Feds are entitled to a cut of the profits but remember the Newfies are suspicious (and rightly so) of the Fed's competence after the fisheries were squandered and this is hot on the Churchill Falls 'deal' redux attempt with Quebec, which went nowhere and sees Quebec paying peanuts for hydro that they re-sell at a vast profit.

"In a speech in 1996, former Newfoundland premier Brian Tobin estimated that Hydro-Quebec received windfall profits of $1.4 million a day from redistributing Churchill Falls power. He said Newfoundland and Labrador, the resource owner, received only $45,000 a day."

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/s ... 8b7d004957



You can't blame the Newfies for being suspicious. Trot around the Island and see the communities that existed for hundreds of years that are now desolate after the fish-plants closed. They have good reason to be a bit miffed.