[gigs]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

So, what does Quebec contribute then with the lions share of the transfer payments they've been getting every year?

[PimpBrewski123]

$1:

Charest said to Quebec's TVA network,

The Quebec Prime Minister is simply raising the issue as a diversion to the corruption allegations to the PLQ.

Also, notice Charest's appeal to the local media network since he has to in order to get favourable press from them journalists. That same local network that has been siding with the pro-ecologist organisations for some time and they also never report on the true facts on the perequation issue.

[EyeBrock]

kenmore kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country... which of course is not the case.

Ken, after some input from other members, I have to hold up my hands and say I posted some needless anti-Quebec rhetoric. I went too far and didn't consider the views of some CKA's Quebec members.

That aside I think there is (as pimp mentioned) a long history of Quebec politicians saying one thing for Quebecers and the media and another thing to ROC. In my post I posted facts, I'm trying to keep the rhetoric to a minimum!

Recovery is a long road!

Joyeux Noel Ken to you and your family!

[Gunnair]

kenmore kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country... which of course is not the case.

What do you their impression would be about some of your anti-west rhetoric?

[2Cdo]

kenmore kenmore:

Bravo! M. Charest Bravo! well done.. Harper doesn't give a crap about the environment.. Alberta boy through and through.

Wow, another moronic comment from our resident half-wit.

Kenmore Kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country... which of course is not the case.

From the fool whose posts run the gamut from "Harper evil" to "Alberta evil".

I also corrected your punctuation, names are capitalized. Even someone as ignorant as you should understand that.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Hmmm Quebec, land of the forestry industry, asbestos mines and huge hydroelectric projects that buried thousands of hectares of land under water. Yep, Quebec has an outstanding record environmentally.

I wonder if Monsieur Charest drives an electric vehicle?

[kenmore]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

kenmore kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country...

WHAT anti-Quebec rhetoric? It's hilarious when someone reads the plain truth and decides it's "anti-something-rhetoric".


So, what does Quebec contribute then with the lions share of the transfer payments they've been getting every year?

Ask your MP.. wht the hell, do you think that Québec is the welfare province? get real! when you can post figures on here from each province and territory in terms of per capita then maybe I would listen, but until then.... well you know.

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

kenmore kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country... which of course is not the case.

Ken, after some input from other members, I have to hold up my hands and say I posted some needless anti-Quebec rhetoric. I went too far and didn't consider the views of some CKA's Quebec members.

That aside I think there is (as pimp mentioned) a long history of Quebec politicians saying one thing for Quebecers and the media and another thing to ROC. In my post I posted facts, I'm trying to keep the rhetoric to a minimum!

Recovery is a long road!

Joyeux Noel Ken to you and your family!

Merci mon ami.. Joyeuses fêtes à vous et vous autres.

[kenmore]

Gunnair Gunnair:

kenmore kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country... which of course is not the case.

What do you their impression would be about some of your anti-west rhetoric?

Anti west rhetoric... hmmm don't recall saying anthing that didn't hold water. ..

[OldChum]

Frie,s and Poutan ummmmm

[Akhenaten]

kenmore kenmore:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

kenmore kenmore:

If a visitor read this anti Québec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Québec doesn't contribute to the country...

WHAT anti-Quebec rhetoric? It's hilarious when someone reads the plain truth and decides it's "anti-something-rhetoric".


So, what does Quebec contribute then with the lions share of the transfer payments they've been getting every year?

Ask your MP.. wht the hell, do you think that Québec is the welfare province? get real! when you can post figures on here from each province and territory in terms of per capita then maybe I would listen, but until then.... well you know.

I did that already. Alberta supplies the lions share ....$21Billion in transfer payments which is about $21Billion more than Quebec. How do you think those numbers are going to work out on a per capita basis?

Look I'm sorry your weak fragile little french ego can't handle the truth but yes you are a welfare province and it's thanks to Alberta red necks that you get practically free university education and $7/day daycare.

I did post the figures. Stop pretending you'd ever read them. God himself could part the clouds point straight at you and say, "Yes I'm sorry Kenmore but those are the facts" and you'd still refuse to believe.

Who cares? Your track record of saying anything at all no matter how blatantly incorrect or stupid it is is well known here.

[Akhenaten]

One more time for Kenmore the willfully blind:

$1:

"Ganging up on Alberta's polluting oilsands is becoming a national sport and it's on full display for the world in Copenhagen.

But what would the country look like if the cash flow pumped from the Western oil patch was suddenly turned off?

With climate change now morphing into a national-unity issue, angry defenders of Western oil argue that the provinces doing most of the environmental finger-pointing - namely, Ontario and Quebec - can only afford their own social programs and tax rates thanks to the gooey Alberta cash cow they love to disparage.

Alberta's premier says his province's oil-rich economy provides the rest of the country with about $21 billion - which, by way of comparison, is more than all of Canada's $18-billion defence budget, and about half of what Ontario spends on health care.

It is also a key driving force behind the federal equalization program, which transfers more than $8 billion a year to Quebec.

That $8 billion equalization cheque is equivalent to five years' funding for Quebec's cherished $7-a-day daycare program, and is almost twice the sum Quebec has slapped on the table to buy New Brunswick's power utility.

Many contend that curbing Alberta's oil production would siphon much-needed cash from the bank accounts of the so-called "have-not" provinces.

"The costs to these provinces might be a lot larger than they imagine," warned Robert Mansell, an economist and equalization expert from the University of Calgary.

"It's been the one thing that's brought a lot of money into the country and spread it around fairly widely."

Six provinces are set to receive about $14.2 billion in equalization payments this year. For 2009, the formula will funnel about $8.4 billion to Quebec, $2.1 billion to Manitoba, $1.7 billion to New Brunswick, $1.6 billion to Nova Scotia, $347 million to Ontario and $340 million to Prince Edward Island.

The purpose of the payments is to ensure the country's less prosperous provinces can provide citizens with services that can be reasonably compared with those offered by the others.

Despite Alberta's financial support, Quebec and Ontario have taken public shots at the province's oilsands development during the Copenhagen climate summit.

Both Quebec Premier Jean Charest and Ontario Environment Minister John Gerretsen refuse to let their provinces carry the load for bigger polluters, like Alberta and Saskatchewan, when it comes to meeting emissions goals.

"If they (the oilsands) are developed there may have to be larger greenhouse gas emission (cuts) elsewhere in the country in order to meet our overall targets," Gerretsen said.

Alberta Premier Stelmach shot back Wednesday in a public letter and television interview, warning the have-not provinces not to bite the industry that feeds them.

"Perhaps the most frustrating part of this all was the finger-pointing by Quebec and Ontario," Stelmach told an Edmonton television network.

"If this leads to really killing Alberta's economy who is going to support the programs in other provinces?"

He said Albertans spend more than $21 billion in financing the other provinces.

Remarkably, Stelmach's argument showed signs Thursday of breaking through.

Alberta's position has even received some sympathetic coverage in Quebec, which is the province most supportive of tough climate-change targets.

Public discourse here rarely touches on equalization and the subject is generally ignored except for when have-not provinces are at the federal bargaining table, seeking a richer deal.

But it has generated some attention this week.

Several prominent public commentators in Quebec explained that la belle province - like the entire country - benefits from Alberta's oil revenue through equalization payments.

On Thursday, three columns in two Quebec newspapers condemned Quebec and Ontario for their criticism of Alberta's oil industry.

"Hypocrisy has a name, or rather two: Quebec and Ontario," wrote Montreal columnist Lysiane Gagnon on Thursday.

"In short, it's thanks to the oilsands that allows Quebec to live beyond its means and offer luxury services such as $7(-a-day) daycares and universities that are practically free."

Historically, Alberta has always paid more per capita into the equalization program than any other province, Mansell said.

On the flip side, Quebec has been the largest net beneficiary of the program, he added.

In 2006, Mansell said he calculated that Quebec was a net beneficiary of $217.1 billion (in 2004 dollars) from the equalization program between 1961 to 2002. That has represented $767 per year for every Quebec man, woman and child, he said.

Over the same period, Alberta paid out $243.6 billion and Ontario paid $314.5 billion, he said. That has cost $2,510 for every Alberta resident every year, and $758 for every Ontarian.

He said that Alberta's oil and gas industry has also created spin-off jobs in manufacturing and engineering in Quebec and Ontario.

"The comparative advantage, which we clearly have in Canada, is resources," Mansell said.

"Whether we like it or not, that has been the driving force in our economy." "

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[GreenTiger]

It's just an observation and i may be wrong but it appears the BLOC seems to be on big colloasal pain in the arse to deal with. It may take "x" to solve a problem but when you you bring involve the Bloc in any way it become infinitly more complicated.

[Akhenaten]

Typical Kenmore.

Kenny: "show me the figures!"

Other poster: "Okay here they are but you're not going to like them"

Kenny: <defening silence>

[PluggyRug]

kenmore kenmore:

Ask your MP.. wht the hell, do you think that Québec is the welfare province? get real! when you can post figures on here from each province and territory in terms of per capita then maybe I would listen, but until then.... well you know.

And there are fairies at the bottom of my garden. Seems like you also have them.

Quebec has it's problems, ignoring them will not please the fairies.