[Thanos]

poquas poquas:

Of course. Another impartial objective view of the matter.

Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but didn't Ignatieff state publically that his party was only withdrawing support for the Conservative government? He said nothing about a coalition or any other deal with the other opposition parties. I don't see this as anyone forcing an election. This is only that the Conservatives need to make one of the other opposition parties happy enough to prop them up, right?

Your own impartiality and objectivity are sadly lacking so I doubt that there's much need to continue this any further. You hate Harper and the ex-Reformers. I despise the Liberals. Let's agree to leave it at that.

[OnTheIce]

poquas poquas:

Thanos Thanos:

The Liberals didn't get spooked until Harper made his most recent Senate appointments, so the timing of their sudden need for another election is suspect at best. Even more so considering that the economy, which was the benchmark of their ridiculous "give us fiscal report cards or else" policy, never came close to a crisis situation and is quietly coming out of the recession as successfully as most of the other non-United States economies generally are.

I stand by my analysis. The Liberals are only doing this to salvage the Chretien-era Senate that they stuffed for their own interests. Even the Dippers and Blocheads aren't going along with the Liberal "reasoning" for another elction this fall. As such any desperation is strictly being exhibitted by the Liberals.

Of course. Another impartial objective view of the matter.

Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but didn't Ignatieff state publically that his party was only withdrawing support for the Conservative government? He said nothing about a coalition or any other deal with the other opposition parties. I don't see this as anyone forcing an election. This is only that the Conservatives need to make one of the other opposition parties happy enough to prop them up, right?

For a guy that "doesn't care" about Ignatieff and the Liberals, all you do is run around defending them while at the same time slamming the Conservatives.

Why would a non-Liberal care so much about what people think about the party, their leader and their record.

Just end the charade.

[poquas]

Another one threatened? The insecurity of the "real" Conservatives here is palpable and even a little pathetic.

Along with my votes, I've invested time and money into the Conservative party over the years. Why would I defend or care what the Liberals do? The Conservative party changed, not me.

[poquas]

Thanos Thanos:

Your own impartiality and objectivity are sadly lacking so I doubt that there's much need to continue this any further. You hate Harper and the ex-Reformers. I despise the Liberals. Let's agree to leave it at that.

I hate Harper and his Reformers. I could care less about the Liberals. That of course may change. If there's an election, I'm willing to listen to all sides. I'm not brainwashed to have to support one party regardless of what they do or say, it's just that Harper would have to try a lot harder now.

[OnTheIce]

poquas poquas:

Another one threatened? The insecurity of the "real" Conservatives here is palpable and even a little pathetic.

Along with my votes, I've invested time and money into the Conservative party over the years. Why would I defend or care what the Liberals do? The Conservative party changed, not me.

Threatened? Hardly. Amused? Indeed.

Why would you defend what the Liberals do? Good question I'd be happy for you to answer.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

poquas poquas:

Another one threatened? The insecurity of the "real" Conservatives here is palpable and even a little pathetic.

Along with my votes, I've invested time and money into the Conservative party over the years. Why would I defend or care what the Liberals do? The Conservative party changed, not me.

Threatened? Hardly. Amused? Indeed.

Why would you defend what the Liberals do? Good question I'd be happy for you to answer.

Hopefully objective people will defend the Liberals when they're in the right. Hopefully they will also defend the Conservatives when they're right and the NDP if they, in the future, ever become right. My definition of a hack is the guy who sides with his party even when it's dead-ass wrong. Hacks don't recognize that, from a 3rd-party view, the Libs are right about half the time and Cons are right about the half the time.

I, for one, respect the people that support BOTH parties for their good work and call-out BOTH parties when they fuck up.

[BluesBud]

Once again Jack Layton finds himself the most influential person on Parliament Hill. It was the same thing when the Martin Liberals fell. Except then it was the consensus of The Bloc and The Harperites.

After voting down the Harperites all this time then denouncing the Liberals for propping them up. Now he props up the CONartist Party of Canada and scoffs at the Liberals for finally forcing this issue.

It once again shows up harper's true colour, not Tory Blue,....Yellow. He will do anything to stay in power. Even adopt a NDP strategy and give Jack anything he wants. This is what it troubling to True Blue Conservatives. No wonder some are now starting to hold back on funds to the party.

He is only offering a minor EI adjustment to adjust to what is in the political climate of the time. It was not a concern to is government a month ago. In fact they bristled against EI reform. Of course the NDP want to stay in the house. If they can continue to manipulate the direction of Parliament.

[poquas]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

poquas poquas:

Another one threatened? The insecurity of the "real" Conservatives here is palpable and even a little pathetic.

Along with my votes, I've invested time and money into the Conservative party over the years. Why would I defend or care what the Liberals do? The Conservative party changed, not me.

Threatened? Hardly. Amused? Indeed.

Why would you defend what the Liberals do? Good question I'd be happy for you to answer.

Hopefully objective people will defend the Liberals when they're in the right. Hopefully they will also defend the Conservatives when they're right and the NDP if they, in the future, ever become right. My definition of a hack is the guy who sides with his party even when it's dead-ass wrong. Hacks don't recognize that, from a 3rd-party view, the Libs are right about half the time and Cons are right about the half the time.

I, for one, respect the people that support BOTH parties for their good work and call-out BOTH parties when they fuck up.

Until the Liberals are back and attempting to call the shots, I don't care much what they do. As opposition their job is to oppose, not form policy. The same goes for the NDP and the Bloc. The party in power and especially the one I supported is far more of a concern to me.

The radical hacks on this forum wouldn’t know objectivity even if it bit them in the ass. When Harper or the Conservatives screw up they become apologists. If one of the other leaders or their parties does something right, they spam the forum with trash to attempt to discredit them. There are of course the same types that seem to be shilling for the Libs, but they’re far fewer in number or seem to be much less vocal.

[ridenrain]

You bet'cha. My Conservative buddy. See ya at the next fundraiser or rubber chicken dinner.

What I find the most funny out of this are the Libs who need to sabotage the NDP because disgruntled Libs will go there before they go to the Conservatives. Dion pushed the Libs so left that their both on the same side, leaving the Tories safe and isolated on their own.

[Lemmy]

Just the way the traditional Torries and the Randian idealogues splintered the right 15 years ago. It could happen to the left too. On the right, it's STILL affecting the Conservatives' ability to gain a majority. There'd be A LOT of folks who'd shift their support to the Conservatives if they jetisoned Harper and his ilk.

[saturn_656]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Just the way the traditional Torries and the Randian idealogues splintered the right 15 years ago. It could happen to the left too. On the right, it's STILL affecting the Conservatives' ability to gain a majority. There'd be A LOT of folks who'd shift their support to the Conservatives if they jetisoned Harper and his ilk.

Split the right back into Reform and PC?

We already saw how that worked out. NFG.