[DerbyX]

It qualifies.

Sorry for your luck.

[Pseudonym]

Arguing for popularity amongst American members on the website is hardly a strong point, riden. It is totally legit to point out the mild hypocrisy of lecturing others while rejecting their advice, but better arguments can be made, like:

Medicare loses hundreds of billions of dollars to corruption each year;
American bureaucracy is generally ineffective, moreso than that of other nations;
The proposed healthcare plan is not equivalent to Canadian care, even if that were desireable;
plus all the others on freedom, individuality and capitalism.

Pick your ground wisely.

[Robair]

I like the vid. Counters the BS nicely.

[ridenrain]

I know it's a crap shoot but lets be serious that none of us here are really going to change it. At least you Americans might get a vote somewhere in the mess.

Answer the question posed, do you as an American support or oppose Obama's health care plan?

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I know it's a crap shoot but lets be serious that none of us here are really going to change it. At least you Americans might get a vote somewhere in the mess.

Answer the question posed, do you as an American support or oppose Obama's health care plan?

Right above you. Have you read Robairs posts on the subject?

I think you would claim bias even if US posters on this site supported Obama. I think you reject his plan for no other reason then you reject him.

[Pseudonym]

As an American citizen, I do reject the Obama healthcare plan, certainly in all the forms I have read from the Congressional Library and everything I have looked at. However, I reiterate that the opinions of Americans on this website is hardly representative of the country as a whole, and the nature of any opinion is such that it does not hold truth value in and of itself.

One thing that tend to infuriate me about debates in general is how the use of facts and statistics are twisted so that nothing is really established. I would rather debate on philosophical grounds so we can operate off of principles and see where things actually stand. Thus I would prefer the healthcare debate in America to center more on whether healthcare is a right before moving on to whether the plan would accomplish the desired goal effectively. I don't feel as though the basic questions have been adequately addressed in the mainstream of American culture.

[ridenrain]

Your faster than me. Thanks for the answer.

It's just a question and it's no big deal if I'm right or if I'm wrong.
I really don't have a horse in the race but I'm just ticked that there's a number of Canadians telling the US what it should do.

Pseudonym is American so I want to hear what he has to say. He's got to live with it, not us.

[Pseudonym]

One might say that Canadians, and, in fact, the rest of the world do have a horse in the race. America is one of the big hotbeds for medical research due, in part, to the vast amount of funds that the private sector invests in development of newer and better treatments.

[DerbyX]

Actually my lab does clinical drug trial testing for US firms that are testing drugs up here in Canada because its far cheaper to do so and the legal risk is significantly less. Canada participates in that research and development more then you think.

[ridenrain]

The US has a huge capacity in medical sciences for sure but I can't see it failing so badly that it sets us back. Reserch will definately be set back as will a number of foreign operatins but I can't see hospitals or medical science companies letting it fail that badly. Maybe I'm the optimist but I can't see Obama killing the the golden goose. Taxing it almost to death though is possible.

[fifeboy]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Pick your ground wisely.

Good advice. Canadians have done that. Thank you Tommy Douglas.

[ridenrain]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Pick your ground wisely.

Good advice. Canadians have done that. Thank you Tommy Douglas.

It might have been sustinable in Tommy's day but it's quickly eating all our resources. If only we addopted Tommmy's eugenics program too. (not)

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Pick your ground wisely.

Good advice. Canadians have done that. Thank you Tommy Douglas.

It might have been sustinable in Tommy's day but it's quickly eating all our resources. If only we addopted Tommmy's eugenics program too. (not)

No it isn't. Haven't you noticed that Canada is spending per capita less then half what the US spends and has for a long time?

Virtually all of the problems with our system would be minimized by simply upping that amount, of course that would require more taxes.

[fifeboy]

ridenrain ridenrain:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Pick your ground wisely.

Good advice. Canadians have done that. Thank you Tommy Douglas.

It might have been sustinable in Tommy's day but it's quickly eating all our resources.

Like the man says, 10% vs 15% of GDP.

ridenrain ridenrain:

If only we addopted Tommmy's eugenics program too. (not)

OK ride, as you know so much about Douglas, tell us about it.

[Thanos]

I still believe that a correctly-regulated private system supplement to Canada's system would be of benefit to us, especially in creating an opportunity for more general practitioners to open family clinics and cutting wait times for surgeries for non-life threatening conditions. This is clearly the one area where the American system is superior, as it also clearly is in far better availability to cutting-edge diagnostic services. But overall Canadians should all be rightly outraged by the slanderous and evil maligning of our country by the far-rightist crazies in the US. They've openly lied practically every time one of their water-carrier pundits opens his or her foul mouth about the Canadian system. And I genuinely can't see how anyone can defend a profit-driven private-insurance system that disqualifies far more people per capita from necessary treatments and medications than Canada's one even remotely comes close to doing. If Democrats and Repubs want to scream and yell and throw tantrums at each other then they can do it without dragging us into their hidieous ideological mess. Like it or not we should all stand up for ourselves whenever Americans try to demonize Canada in order to disguise their own self-inflicted systemic failures and political psychoses.

They showed up to rallies for and against health care access carrying firearms. What does that alone tell everyone else about the nature of the people who are generating and participating this phony and politically-manufactured frenzy of we-the-people "resistance"