[ridenrain]

Curtman Curtman:

ridenrain ridenrain:

The Liberals did eliminate the deficit .... by stealig from the EI program.

Okay, wait a minute.. So you are in favour of seasonal workers collecting EI, or you aren't? You can't have it both ways.

You were complaining that these temporary E.I. measures would allow this to happen again.

Are you miss-quoting people again?
Maybe you should include a graph or two:

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[Curtman]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Are you miss-quoting people again?

Oh maybe.. I guess it must have been a different ridenrain.

[Freakinoldguy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The irony is, the tax credit will be next to useless in Ontario anyway as McSquinty plans on taxing home reno's next year. Gotta LOVVVVE those Liberals.

And the Liberals wanting to raise taxes again? What a shock, didn't see THAT one coming

Oh that's just great. Now our sleazy Premier will have another "Ontario did it", so we've gotta do it just to stay competetive excuse to place even more taxes, on the overburdened people of BC.

Much like his Harmonized Sales Tax, which is guarenteed to help businesses and make everyone in the lollipop kingdom's life better, since the price of every product or service that'll now be taxed will drop by .07%, which, given his Liberal logic makes it another of his revenue neutral taxes much like his Carbon Tax.

[poquas]

I've already maxed out the rebate. I doubt even Harper is stupid or suicidal enough to blow this.

[gigs]

poquas poquas:

I've already maxed out the rebate. I doubt even Harper is stupid or suicidal enough to blow this.

I don't think he will, Iggy was probably thinking about it though.
One more wafergate story and Harper could be in majority territory.

Canada ruling Conservatives retake lead in new poll
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNew ... 9720090806

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The irony is, the tax credit will be next to useless in Ontario anyway as McSquinty plans on taxing home reno's next year. Gotta LOVVVVE those Liberals.

And the Liberals wanting to raise taxes again? What a shock, didn't see THAT one coming

Oh that's just great. Now our sleazy Premier will have another "Ontario did it", so we've gotta do it just to stay competetive excuse to place even more taxes, on the overburdened people of BC.

Much like his Harmonized Sales Tax, which is guarenteed to help businesses and make everyone in the lollipop kingdom's life better, since the price of every product or service that'll now be taxed will drop by .07%, which, given his Liberal logic makes it another of his revenue neutral taxes much like his Carbon Tax.

Ohhhhhh but it gets better Freakinoldguy. Anything that isn't currently taxed by the PST WILL be taxed when the HST comes into effect. The funny thing is, I wrote McSquinty's office asking how he thought rasing taxes would help the economy. His reply was how the HST would remove duplication and streamline things for businesses. Not one mention of the tax grab included with it though. What a shock

[OldChum]

Yes there will be many new additions to the list of taxed items , like labour on a job you pay for . Here in Manitoba it was not taxable if you had a product installed and delivered by the installer . Now they will tax it along with the rest of the job .

[Freakinoldguy]

Despite our illustrious Premiers rhetoric about how a HST will be a neutral tax, like the maritimes is experiencing, I found a website that says there's no actual proof that harmonizing the two taxes brought down costs to consumers like these tax grabbing ingrates claim.

Here's the link so you can read it an make up your own mind.

http://economics.ca/cgi/jab?journal=cpp ... n4p451.pdf

So, since this tax will put 4 billion dollars yearly into the BC Liberal's coffers I will claim to my dying day that it's a fucking tax grab and nothing more, instituted to pay for all Gordo's pet projects.

But on the plus side once Ottawa gives the province the 1.6 Billion for doing it maybe we can afford to pay off part of the Vancouver Convention Center.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The Liberals did eliminate the deficit .... by stealig from the EI program.

Something Harper did to an even greater extent.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

This is the reply I got from Dipshit Dalton:

Thanks for writing to me about the proposed single sales tax. Your views are important and they matter to me. And I appreciate your taking the time to express them.
If you're looking for detailed information about the tax changes, you can find it at http://www.ontario.ca/taxsavings.
I'd like to take this opportunity to tell you why our government is making these important changes. It's all about building a stronger economy for Ontario.
Merging the GST and the PST on July 1, 2010, is the single most important step we can take to make Ontario more attractive to businesses. As already proven in the Atlantic provinces, a single sales tax will mean more business investment in Ontario and, ultimately, more jobs for Ontarians.
By merging two taxes with different rules into one sales tax with one set of rules, we're reducing red tape -- and creating new incentives for Ontario businesses to grow and for new businesses to locate here.
I know this change will not be easy. That's why we're doing our part to make the transition as smooth as possible for families across the province.
Our full package of tax changes includes personal income tax cuts and small business tax cuts. In fact, 93 per cent of all Ontario tax payers will benefit from a personal income tax cut next year.
(I like this part) Our tax changes will leave our government with $2.3 billion less revenue over the next four years. While that shortfall will create its own set of challenges, we feel strongly that it's a price worth paying if we truly want Ontario to prosper.
I know many Ontarians are feeling the effects of the current global economic recession. But I am confident that, if we work together, and are prepared to make changes now to help our economy, Ontario will emerge an even stronger, more prosperous and more beautiful place for our children and grandchildren.
Thanks again for contacting me.
Dalton McGuinty Premier of Ontario

[PublicAnimalNo9]

...Continued from my previous post. This goes against his new tax package:

Let's start with just a few things that are to be charged the extra 8% to see how it will affect you and your family:

Gasoline
Home heating fuel
Water
Hydro
Used cars
Government and city services
Any service you now use for your home or business (such as repairs, professional services of any kind, construction materials etc.)
.....and these are just a few.

Almost everything currently without PST in your life except children's clothing, prescriptions, diapers, and feminine hygiene products will now cost you 8% more.

Oh, and here is a kicker. The fuel tax will slide with the increasing cost of that fuel.

The personal income tax cut he's promising will be more than gobbled up by this major tax grab.

[bootlegga]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

And the Liberals wanting to raise taxes again? What a shock, didn't see THAT one coming

The Conservatives cancelling yet another defence project...didn't see that coming!

[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The Liberals did eliminate the deficit. We had years of straight surpluses that went to pay down the debt.

The only thing the Libs did was eliminate the deficit. As for paying down the debt their record is dismal at best. With all those surpluses what did they do with the money? They pissed it away and put next to nothing towards the actual debt. How much was the surplus in 05/06? Wasn't it something like 15 billion? But yet they only managed to put less than 2.5 billion on the debt.

Or better yet, how about 04/05? How much was that surplus that they brag so proudly about but yet ignore the fact that they not only didn't put any money towards the debt but they actually increased it by nearly 5 billion.

That's pretty creative accounting. Ya I managed to balance my books and have 20 thousand left over, never mind the fact that I had to borrow 10 thousand dollars that will incur interest over time to get that number.

Fact remains that with all those surpluses the Liberals only managed to put 16 billion towards the debt during their entire time in office. All the while the debt rose over 46 billion during their rule. The conservative last year alone put nearly 13.5 billion towards the debt. In two years they managed to pay off just about as much of the debt as the Liberals did in over 12 years.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Curtman Curtman:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Are you miss-quoting people again?

Oh maybe.. I guess it must have been a different ridenrain.

No offense but you have a serious reading comprehension problem. Maybe read these posts your misquoting and misrepresenting before yakking off at the mouth.

[DerbyX]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The Liberals did eliminate the deficit. We had years of straight surpluses that went to pay down the debt.

The only thing the Libs did was eliminate the deficit. As for paying down the debt their record is dismal at best. With all those surpluses what did they do with the money? They pissed it away and put next to nothing towards the actual debt. How much was the surplus in 05/06? Wasn't it something like 15 billion? But yet they only managed to put less than 2.5 billion on the debt.

Or better yet, how about 04/05? How much was that surplus that they brag so proudly about but yet ignore the fact that they not only didn't put any money towards the debt but they actually increased it by nearly 5 billion.

That's pretty creative accounting. Ya I managed to balance my books and have 20 thousand left over, never mind the fact that I had to borrow 10 thousand dollars that will incur interest over time to get that number.

Fact remains that with all those surpluses the Liberals only managed to put 16 billion towards the debt during their entire time in office. All the while the debt rose over 46 billion during their rule. The conservative last year alone put nearly 13.5 billion towards the debt. In two years they managed to pay off just about as much of the debt as the Liberals did in over 12 years.

No they didn't and they are using the same set of numbers Harper is. We have gone through this before and the record is clear. They paid down the debt and in fact would have paid down more had they not been "forced" to open the purse strings to fight an election and govern with a minority (the same excuse used to excuse Harpers current deficit). Why does Harper get let off the hook but not the Libs eh? BTW, 04-06 were the times when Martin was increasing government spending because thats what governments do when fighting elections. They promise and spend big because thats what sways the voters. You know that.

In fact Harper claiming anything in 2006 is just crap since his administration actually began the 39th parliament on April 3rd and that wonderful payment was thanks to the Libs. Harper did not pay off more then the Libs and in fact is presiding over the largest deficit ever.

The fact is that the Liberals were the best party to deal with the spirally debt and deficit and we have them to thank for not being bankrupt. Every other party would have done far worse.