[Wullu]

Robair Robair:

We own an f-150, an old gmc 2500 and a Malibu MAXX. The 2500 is already up for sale, and when we're done with the malibu, I'm thinking the new taurus is looking good.

I need some bumper stickers, something along the lines of "Enjoy your chevy, I helped pay for it" or "say no to Government Motor Products..." I dunno, that's all I can come up with right now...

How about, "If you are driving a Chev, I want my money back"?

[poquas]

Robair Robair:

Better management saved them, they had a bunch of assets they could mortgage instead of asking for handouts...

I'm not so sure the management is better yet. They've sold huge interests in companies around the world to get the cash they need to get through this. It's still up in the air whether or not it's going to work. The fact that their North American completion is working with government money that they haven't had access to really skews the situation in Chrysler and GM's (if they survive)favour in the long term. Ford certainly has never produced vehicles any better than the other two, and are just as guilty in the huge gas guzzling vehicle production that the others were accused of.

Personally, I figure they're in serious trouble too. If the economy turns quickly, they might survive. If not, it's going to be a much more sudden and dramatic failure.

[Thanos]

I've been stung badly before by a Ford car that went plotz on me so I'm a little gunshy about buying a Ford truck later this year. The only thing that'll get me to commit to Ford is that they're easier to maintain out in the field than a Japanese one. That and the fact that I'd rather pay off and destroy a $30000 Ford than a $50000 Toyota or Nissan. There's no way in hell that I'll touch GM or Dodge because to me it'd be pretty damn dumb for anyone to buy a vehicle that's been put together by a bunch of pissed-off union guys who don't know if they're going to have a job next year. If Ford makes it through the hard times then terrific. But GM has seen the last of my money for the rest of my buying days and Chrysler can go suck it altogether. I've never trusted those over-rated dicks before and I never will in the future.

[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

It appears it's Ford's strong truck sales that are helping them as their car sales are down a bit...

Perhaps truck buyers are staying away from GM & Chrysler... Also maybe the recent Toyota truck rust problems are scaring over Tacoma & Tundra buyers to the blue oval...

You just don't mind being wrong over and over again on the same points. Maybe the reason Toyota sales are falling is that all the smart people already bought one. Once you buy a Toyota, you're out of the car-buying market for 15 years.

[Mustang1]

Lemmy Lemmy:

stemmer stemmer:

It appears it's Ford's strong truck sales that are helping them as their car sales are down a bit...

Perhaps truck buyers are staying away from GM & Chrysler... Also maybe the recent Toyota truck rust problems are scaring over Tacoma & Tundra buyers to the blue oval...

You just don't mind being wrong over and over again on the same points. Maybe the reason Toyota sales are falling is that all the smart people already bought one. Once you buy a Toyota, you're out of the car-buying market for 15 years.

OR maybe Toyota's trucks - and this has been a constant issue - are views as overpriced when compared to Ford? I know our resident GMphile might not get it, but he's got SQUAT to show that there's ANY evidence that a drop in sales is due directly to "rust" problems. Don't ask him for tangible evidence, though, as that means you're "off topic"

[Mustang1]

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/736678

Or its low inventories and consumer uncertainty that's keeping people away from GM and Chrysler. I guess Ford looks like a more viable long-term option.

[Regina]

Wullu Wullu:

Robair Robair:

We own an f-150, an old gmc 2500 and a Malibu MAXX. The 2500 is already up for sale, and when we're done with the malibu, I'm thinking the new taurus is looking good.

I need some bumper stickers, something along the lines of "Enjoy your chevy, I helped pay for it" or "say no to Government Motor Products..." I dunno, that's all I can come up with right now...

How about, "If you are driving a Chev, I want my money back"?

Hey where have you been.

[Lemmy]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

OR maybe Toyota's trucks - and this has been a constant issue - are views as overpriced when compared to Ford? I know our resident GMphile might not get it, but he's got SQUAT to show that there's ANY evidence that a drop in sales is due directly to "rust" problems. Don't ask him for tangible evidence, though, as that means you're "off topic"

Well, the REAL answer is called elasticity of demand. The greater a product represents, as a percentage of total expenditure, the more sales will fall in response to an external economic shock. In non-economist terms, that means that sales fall more on expensive products than cheap ones in times of crisis. Since Toyotas are more expensive than Fords, it's basic economic theory that the current crisis will affect Toyota sales more.

[Mustang1]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

OR maybe Toyota's trucks - and this has been a constant issue - are views as overpriced when compared to Ford? I know our resident GMphile might not get it, but he's got SQUAT to show that there's ANY evidence that a drop in sales is due directly to "rust" problems. Don't ask him for tangible evidence, though, as that means you're "off topic"

Well, the REAL answer is called elasticity of demand. The greater a product represents, as a percentage of total expenditure, the more sales will fall in response to an external economic shock. In non-economist terms, that means that sales fall more on expensive products than cheap ones in times of crisis. Since Toyotas are more expensive than Fords, it's basic economic theory that the current crisis will affect Toyota sales more.

I understand, but this has always been an issue, even in relatively good economic times. The F-Series has always outsold Toyota truck competitors.

[Robair]

Wullu Wullu:

Robair Robair:

I need some bumper stickers, something along the lines of "Enjoy your chevy, I helped pay for it" or "say no to Government Motor Products..." I dunno, that's all I can come up with right now...

How about, "If you are driving a Chev, I want my money back"?

I like it. I like it better than the two I came up with.

[ASLplease]

I have a 2004 chev

I want a bumper sticker that says " I'm enjoying your pension fund, thanks!!!"

[Robair]

ASLplease ASLplease:

I have a 2004 chev

I want a bumper sticker that says " I'm enjoying your pension fund, thanks!!!"

If I see it, I will pee in your gas tank.

[OnTheIce]

Robair Robair:

We own an f-150, an old gmc 2500 and a Malibu MAXX. The 2500 is already up for sale, and when we're done with the malibu, I'm thinking the new taurus is looking good.

I need some bumper stickers, something along the lines of "Enjoy your chevy, I helped pay for it" or "say no to Government Motor Products..." I dunno, that's all I can come up with right now...

You've also helped pay for a variety of Canadian made Ford products through government injections over the years.

[PrimeDirective]

I have been looking around for a new car and I must say I was impressed with the Ford dealership here. They seem to be willing to do whatever it takes to get you to buy an automobile from them.

[Lemmy]

PrimeDirective PrimeDirective:

I have been looking around for a new car and I must say I was impressed with the Ford dealership here. They seem to be willing to do whatever it takes to get you to buy an automobile from them.

See how helpful they are in a year when the engine seizes up, transmission and driveshaft falls off, air-conditioning blows hot and the electrical system automatically tunes your stereo to CBC Radio 2 no matter what you do. If you're really lucky, the short circuit and spark from the in-tank fuel pump will happen when your mother-in-law is using the thing. Be sure to keep blankets on board for winter breakdowns.

I do like the "heated rear bumper" feature on the new Fords, so your hands don't get cold while you're pushing the piece of shit home.