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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:31 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
Fair enough, but bringing up this boys case indicates bias...


I guess that I did indicate bias (I've reread my first post). I find that alot of people in different groups want more and more given to them without though for the repercussions of what they are asking for.

I've only recently myself shed my distaste for same sex relationships, My thinking there being that it's gonna happen weather I want it to or not so have at it.
Now we have science playing God. I can accept the fact that people are born gay, that it's not a choice. I can accept the fact that people can be born in the wrong bodies and want sex changes.
What I can't accept is same sex couples conceiving children through scientific means, if it was meant to happen then nature would have arranged it.

Of course given the continued way our species is going via science we will probably all be asexual in 100 years anyway


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Choban Choban:
God I hope this doesn't happen.
Has anyone evcer studied the effects of raising children in a same sex partnership?
My wife is a special ed assistant, she got a new kid this year in grade 7, this boy was raised by 2 lesbians and she tells me he has some real issues. There have to be limits.


Can you back that statement up with other than your wifes opinion.. There are hundreds of same sex partners who raise children in good home environment. I work in psychiatry and my daughter in law heads the adoption division of the CAS. There are just as many children with problems being raised in heterosexual coupled homes as same sex coupled homes. Your wifes opinion and yours I think are a little biased.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:46 pm
 


Hey, good luck to them.

A work mate is in a gay marriage, her partner had IVF and they have twins. Both of them are great parents and the kids are doing fine.

I think a loving family is just that, gender isn't that important.


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Hey, good luck to them.

A work mate is in a gay marriage, her partner had IVF and they have twins. Both of them are great parents and the kids are doing fine.

I think a loving family is just that, gender isn't that important.

Thats not the point here... The point is, that this scientist wants to extract spermcells from stemcells to fertilize eggs with.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:06 pm
 


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If you are incapable of having children on your own you should not. That is natures way of removing flawed genes from the pool. May seem harsh but its true. The human race is full of genetic defects due to socialism and people believing that having a child is their right regardless of the physical or mental defects that the child will be born with.


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If you are incapable of having children on your own you should not. That is natures way of removing flawed genes from the pool. May seem harsh but its true. The human race is full of genetic defects due to socialism and people believing that having a child is their right regardless of the physical or mental defects that the child will be born with.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:25 pm
 


KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:
If you are incapable of having children on your own you should not. That is natures way of removing flawed genes from the pool. May seem harsh but its true. The human race is full of genetic defects due to socialism and people believing that having a child is their right regardless of the physical or mental defects that the child will be born with.


How about those who are capable and should not?

There's a flaw in your logic. Idiot's who can breed more idiots are not flaws removed from the genepool unless they play with these...


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Lovely. And then the gay men will scream discrimination because they still can't have babies together.

Let's not open this can of worms.


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Choban Choban:
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Choban Choban:
God I hope this doesn't happen.
Has anyone evcer studied the effects of raising children in a same sex partnership?
My wife is a special ed assistant, she got a new kid this year in grade 7, this boy was raised by 2 lesbians and she tells me he has some real issues. There have to be limits.


Out of curiosity what are the boy's issues? You don't have to say if there is some sort of confidentiality requirement you're worried about, I'm just wondering what sort of issues can arise from that situation.


Problems with athority (especially female), He doesn't bond well with other kids, Acts out in class for no reason (he's not a.d.d or suffering from any disabilities, seems to be purly a social thing), constant bullying of others and lashing out, Thats all I'm aware of. Like I asked I was wondering if any studies have been done
These 2 ladies have raised him since he was a year old.


Hey Choban,

Behavioural problems are generally the result of inept parenting or outright abuse (parental or otherwise.) Parental gender has nothing to do with it, as you will no doubt see if you pause to think about it. (Need evidence? Consider this: most dysfunctional and/or sociopathic adult males had opposite sex parents, or were raised by a single parent.)

Speaking from experience, my female partner and I successfully raised a very willful, articulate, and intelligent little boy from a brat to a fine young man who is now 22. (He was 9 when I met him and the rudest child I had ever seen. His mom had raised him alone from the age of 6 months, and her parents would spoil him rotten. Up to that point, no one had set normal limits and expectations for him such as "make your bed", "help carry the groceries in" and so on. To say he was "resistant to authority" would be putting it mildly.)

In addition, my (step)son's father worked overseas and my son had a month-long visitation period with him every summer. Thanks to excessive criticism, loneliness and general neglect, he almost always came home with his self-esteem in tatters. It was up to my partner and I to repair his self esteem and show him he was loved and cherished.

At 22, he doesn't yet quite get why children need limits and structure, but he is a fine young man who'd be the envy of any parent.


My point: a child's behaviour may become antisocial when parents (of any sex) have a general lack of ability to model and teach appropriate behaviour; an inability to set and keep appropriate limits; are abusive; neglectful; or especialy when a child is sexually abused.

If a child is acting out, it usually means he is terribly unhappy and there is always a concrete reason. Your wife should talk with the boy's parents (mums) and get the school counselor involved if there is one.

The real question everyone should be asking is: When did this behaviour start and what are the possible triggering events?

One scenario that comes to mind could be this: it's likely that the mums have made efforts to provide their son with appropriate male role models, perhaps via Big Brothers, trusted male friends and relatives, sports coaches and so on. Is one or more of these men sexually abusing the child? (Most pedophiles are heterosexual males.) In fact, they should not automatically rule out the boy's father or a religious leader.

I don't mean to rant on you, but please think twice before you jump to ANY conclusions about gays and lesbians. Ask us a few questions if there's something on your mind. If approached with respect and genuine (non-prurient) interest, I'd venture to say that most of us would be happy to give a candid reply.

As for "there have to be limits", are you suggesting that we should not have the same civil rights you have? Surely you are too smart to really believe that....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:08 pm
 


Choban Choban:
Brenda Brenda:
Fair enough, but bringing up this boys case indicates bias...


I guess that I did indicate bias (I've reread my first post). ...What I can't accept is same sex couples conceiving children through scientific means, if it was meant to happen then nature would have arranged it.


Hmmm, does this mean you're against in-vitro fertilization too? Guess you're not a big fan of John & Kath Plus 8 then. :?

How about artificial limbs? Sperm banks? Blood banks? Organ transplants?Agriculture? (Most of the food we eat today has been selectively bred far away from its original wild plant or animal stock.)

What about space travel? Air travel? Anything with wheels or motors?

Nature arranged our big brains, which in turn produced all these wonders. So I guess one could say that Nature did originate all this great stuff -with more to come! :wink:

Kudos to you for working on your biases - self-examination is the toughest work there is. Too many people don't bother.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:56 pm
 


Same sex marriage has no bearing on the outcome of the child other than external factors that may arise because of it. Such as being bullied by other kids because of it. Any more so than any other type of raising anyways.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:40 am
 


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Choban Choban:
God I hope this doesn't happen.
Has anyone evcer studied the effects of raising children in a same sex partnership?
My wife is a special ed assistant, she got a new kid this year in grade 7, this boy was raised by 2 lesbians and she tells me he has some real issues. There have to be limits.


Can you back that statement up with other than your wifes opinion.. There are hundreds of same sex partners who raise children in good home environment. I work in psychiatry and my daughter in law heads the adoption division of the CAS. There are just as many children with problems being raised in heterosexual coupled homes as same sex coupled homes. Your wifes opinion and yours I think are a little biased.


If you continued to read my posts, the main point I was asking if anyone has studied such a thing. I can tell you it's NOT my wifes opinion that he's a troubled child, that would be the reason she is working with him.
If he was a well adjusted student she wouldn't even have time with him at her job.
So once again, yes my personal opinion IS BIASED, which I already admitted but the question I have asked has yet to be addressed.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:44 am
 


Everyone is missing my original point which is, Has a study been done to determine if there are phycological downfalls to raising a child in a same sex partnership. We all got caught up in biases and rights issues.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:52 am
 


I say this is a bad idea. I mean, seriously, the can of worms opening up here is dangerous to no end. Adopt.


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