[ridenrain]

Thing is.. many of the folks you hear about who are being arrested already have a record and their fingerprints would be on file anyways. I'd bet the real "first time criminals" make up less than 1/4 of the problem anyways.

[Delwin]

I thought that a person couldn't be arrested or detained without being charged, how is it possible to fingerprint people without placing charges when people have the right to know what they are being charged with upon arrest ?

$1:

DETENTION OR IMPRISONMENT.
9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.



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ARREST OR DETENTION.
10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention

(a) to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor;
(b) to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and
(c) to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.

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PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL AND PENAL MATTERS.
11. Any person charged with an offence has the right

(a) to be informed without unreasonable delay of the specific offence;

[EyeBrock]

Ask BC.

They get told their 10B rights on arrest, they just have to wait until a lawyer approves the Police arrest unlike every other province.

[ridenrain]

That would assume that we don't have Canadian citizens comitting crime and only refugees and immigrants doing the crimes, and we know that is not the case.
I don't mind you bitching about immigration laws but now your sounding like a one trick pony.

[Freakinoldguy]

jimzie jimzie:

This is a total infringement on what few civil rights we have left, and will be abused by corrupt and inefficient police. If you really want to fight crime, toughen up our immigration and refugee policies.

Are you by chance related to Kenmore????????????????????

[RUEZ]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Are you by chance related to Kenmore????????????????????

Hmm

[herbie]

There was a time when no one but a Communist or Nazi would suggest anything like this and they would be mocked.
Or have we turned around so much no one gives a shit about civil rights and liberties?
Or is the ideal of the New Right one where everyone can carry a concealed 45 but their fingerprints and DNA are all taken in Grade One with your measles shots?

Get fucking real, you want the cops to just grab people off the street and fingerprint them without charging them with anything? Are you bloody mental?

[ShepherdsDog]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

R=UP

That's the point I was trying to make. I've had my fingerprints on file in two countries for over 40 some years and I still can't see why some of these people get all wired up about it.

Exactly. Due to jobs I've held, I've had to be finger printed for security clearances(top secret in the military and enhanced reliability as a civilian, in Canada, plus some Taiwanese equivalency while I working on Kinmen). I don't feel that my rights have been infringed on in the least. here we also have ARC(Alien Residency Certificate) IDs, but the locals all have their own national IDs too. If you haven't got anything to hide, or don't plan on it, why worry?

[ShepherdsDog]

jimzie jimzie:

This is a total infringement on what few civil rights we have left, and will be abused by corrupt and inefficient police. If you really want to fight crime, toughen up our immigration and refugee policies.

Ummm........ Canadian jails aren't full of immigrants and refugees, or do you just hate the coloured folk?

[Brenda]

When I cross the border I get fingerprinted, mugshotted AND have to pay US$ 6 to undergo that shit, JUST to cross the freaking border. Takes half an hour!

Why not just fingerprint everybody who is taken into custody?

[Choban]

jimzie jimzie:

This is a total infringement on what few civil rights we have left, and will be abused by corrupt and inefficient police. If you really want to fight crime, toughen up our immigration and refugee policies.

That's a biased and one sided argument. Most of the rapists and child molesters I've seen in the news lately aren't immigrants. Then theres the 2 they just arrested in Ontario for the killing of that poor little girl.

[Choban]

jimzie jimzie:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

jimzie jimzie:

This is a total infringement on what few civil rights we have left, and will be abused by corrupt and inefficient police. If you really want to fight crime, toughen up our immigration and refugee policies.

Ummm........ Canadian jails aren't full of immigrants and refugees, or do you just hate the coloured folk?

First, to those who are comparing voluntarily giving your fingerprints to being legally ordered to, where IS the comparison? As to my comment on immigration policies, the problem is that it is very difficult to expel a landed immigrant, even when convicted of an offence. Our criminal citizens, we are unfortunately stuck with, but it should not be a 7 year process to send a Vietnamese gangster back to where he came from (example only). These appeal processes are a huge waste of resources which could be used to better fight crime.

Granted, but thats an argument for another forum, this ones about fingerprinting. When you first stated your position, you did not clarify, hence the seeming bigotry. I get what your saying now

[EyeBrock]

jimzie jimzie:

Choban, i think you are still missing my real point, which is the erosion of our civil rights, and invasion of privacy. My fingerprints on my fingers are MINE. If i leave them on a glass in a restaurant, then they are public.

What are you going on about here? This change to the law is for people who have been ARRESTED after committing a SERIOUS indictable offence, and is intended to bring BC arrest/bail protocol inline with the ROC.

Nobody is gonna be crashing through your door at 0300 hrs to take your prints.

Committ an offence and get arrested for it and the offence is too serious for police to release you, then they will take your prints before bail court.

As it stands now in BC that hasn't been happening as they have been waiting for crown attorneys to lay a charge. Elsewhere in the country, police lay the charge.

And what has this got to do with immigration?

[Regina]

Why bother wih finger prints? Why not just take the DNA or both after they've been arrested?

[TattoodGirl]

Regina Regina:

Why bother wih finger prints? Why not just take the DNA or both after they've been arrested?

Both...I had an identical twin...the only way to tell us apart was fingerprints or SOMEONES tattoos