[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

We should be concerned that the registry is the first step in a gun ban though.

Who are you and what have you done with Derby?

I've always been pro-gun ownership. Its a freedom like any other.

[Wally_Sconce]

I've always been in favor of responsible ownership. But I don't believe that the anti-gun crowd wants that.

[Wally_Sconce]

hmmm

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[Canadian_Mind]

So it seems like Liberals and cons both agree that logn gun registry is useless when it comes to fighting crimes commited with pistols and assault rifles.

Iggy would benifit by changing the Liberal stance to anti-longgun registration. The only long gun I'd suggest continued registration of is shotguns, but because those can and are used more often in crime then a hunting rifle.

[Wally_Sconce]

I think it would be a good policy to promote shotguns and discourage rifles. Rifles are dangerous for up to 5 miles, but a shotgun can not penetrate a leather jacket at 100 yards. Areas near near population would be better off to promote the hunting use of shotguns.

[Canadian_Mind]

Even though I'm not a hunter, I know that the use of shotguns both makes hunting more diffucult and can ruin portions of the meat.

And while hunting rifles can be more dangerous for miles, they are alot harder to rob a store with, and in the case of a gang war such as whats going on in vancouver, make it safer for the people around a target when someone makes a hit. A rifle bullet only goes in one direction, whereas a shotgun blast spreads out in a cone.

[Wally_Sconce]

As an avid duck hunter, I've always carried a few slugs in my pocket just in case I see a legal deer. Every few years I get one. I aim for the head, if I miss (which I haven't) I expect it to be a clean miss.

The last deer that I shot, the slug hit him behind the left ear and blew his brains out through the right eye. The deer dropped where he was shot and felt no pain.

I'm not so sure a rifle shot to the front shoulder is so painless.

[putz]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

So it seems like Liberals and cons both agree that logn gun registry is useless when it comes to fighting crimes commited with pistols and assault rifles.

Iggy would benifit by changing the Liberal stance to anti-longgun registration. The only long gun I'd suggest continued registration of is shotguns, but because those can and are used more often in crime then a hunting rifle.

A shotgun is commonplace on most farms in the country, continued registration of them would still be a colossal pain. Where are your statistics to show that shotguns are used more in crimes then other long guns? The gun registry as a whole is a waste of money. All ways has been.

[Bodah]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Yeah let's just put a stop to gun registration. That way when some asshole who's not a hunter or farmer which is the majority of Ontario seeing how we are mostly city. When they abuse the power of having a un-registered weapon. How the hell are you suppose to find out who owned the gun? No registration, no tracks.

Good job tories for being idiots.

That's a large misconception, even if the gun registry wasn't in place. Their still is a registration process. Serial number, owner etc.

The Gun Registry is just an another unnecessary complicated wasteful form of government bureaucracy that doesn't make a lick of difference. Even Cops admit this.

At the very least we shouldn't be going after rural people and their firearms, for the majority its a part of life, another tool in their shed that's necessary.

[Canadian_Mind]

AR, you got me there.

putz putz:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

So it seems like Liberals and cons both agree that logn gun registry is useless when it comes to fighting crimes commited with pistols and assault rifles.

Iggy would benifit by changing the Liberal stance to anti-longgun registration. The only long gun I'd suggest continued registration of is shotguns, but because those can and are used more often in crime then a hunting rifle.

A shotgun is commonplace on most farms in the country, continued registration of them would still be a colossal pain. Where are your statistics to show that shotguns are used more in crimes then other long guns? The gun registry as a whole is a waste of money. All ways has been.

I don't have any statistics handy, but I have never heard of a rifle being used to rob 7/11, while you see the stores being robbed by guys with shotguns and pistols all the time, either in the news or on one of those cop shows.

Besides, it should be common sense. In a situation such as a store robbery, there is so much panic and adreniline going on that with an unwieldy weapon that is 3 feet long or longer, you are going to have a hell of a time aiming right. Whereas with a pistol, it is easier to control in confined spaces, and a shotgun has a cone-shaped blast area, so it doesn't have to be ideally aimed in order to produce a casualty.

[Tricks]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Nobody should be concerned about registering their guns any more then we are concerned about registering our cars.

We should be concerned that the registry is the first step in a gun ban though.

We should also be concerned about how it's managed.

[Tricks]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I think it would be a good policy to promote shotguns and discourage rifles. Rifles are dangerous for up to 5 miles, but a shotgun can not penetrate a leather jacket at 100 yards. Areas near near population would be better off to promote the hunting use of shotguns.

Shotguns are also superior for home defense. Long rifles fail at that.

[ridenrain]

We all agree when we think about this rationally but that's now how it was done politically. This was a desperate attempt by Chretien to appear that he was tough on crime. It may also have been laying the ground work for confescation also, depending on your viewpoint.

It's never saved a life and all the data is so wrong and out of date that it's useless.

[Canadian_Mind]

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's never saved a life and all the data is so wrong and out of date that it's useless.

Got a source to cite? I've heard this enough times I believe it, but I've never actually seen hard evidence.

[RUEZ]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's never saved a life and all the data is so wrong and out of date that it's useless.

Got a source to cite? I've heard this enough times I believe it, but I've never actually seen hard evidence.

I can verify some lives it didn't save. Like some police officers in Alberta.