[Choban]

To Proculation, The wanton printing of money will render it useless.
To Sandorski, While I agree with the benifits of space exploration, I disagree with doing it during times like these that's all.

[Proculation]

"the wanton" ?

[Choban]

Proculation Proculation:

"the wanton" ?

Wanton- Unjustified, Careless, Loose, Unrestricted, without regard.

[Bacardi4206]

Choban Choban:

Waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at this point in time when economys crumble they spend on exploring space, Priorities anyone

Majority of countries income goes to there military, atleast that's the case for most countries and the best space contributors.

What's a waste is that we spend trillions of dollars developing tech to kill each other when we could actually put it to better use like solving world hunger or developing communities. Space exploration. Hell maybe even colonization one day.

Not only is that extremly interesting but worth every cent since having two homes is a lot better than having one.

[Choban]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Choban Choban:

Waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at this point in time when economys crumble they spend on exploring space, Priorities anyone

Majority of countries income goes to there military, atleast that's the case for most countries and the best space contributors.

What's a waste is that we spend trillions of dollars developing tech to kill each other when we could actually put it to better use like solving world hunger or developing communities. Space exploration. Hell maybe even colonization one day.

Not only is that extremly interesting but worth every cent since having two homes is a lot better than having one.

I don't disagree with you on the military spending or the fact that space is interesting, but I think finding planets we don't have the technology to actually get to a waste and colinization is a convienient excuse. Untill we develop the means to travel faster than light speed then we will not be able to get a human to said planets anyway.
Personally I think this planet will be dust long before we ever manage to actually live beyond our planetary boarders, nessesity is the mother of invention though so we'll have to wait and see.
Don't get me wrong, 2 years ago was great for space exploration, now not so much. How many mouths could be fed or programs for the less fortunate be created with this money, space exploration is not cheap, Nasa's budget is probably bigger than Canada's whole budget. If they were actually willing to divert funds from weapons development to fund space exploration I would applaud them, Nasa and the Air Force are hand in hand though as far as I know.
If they're insistent on going to space how about finding ways to reclaim all the crap they dump into the atmosphere and maybe recycle it instead of letting it float around until it crashes to earth.

[Bacardi4206]

Choban Choban:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Choban Choban:

Waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at this point in time when economys crumble they spend on exploring space, Priorities anyone

Majority of countries income goes to there military, atleast that's the case for most countries and the best space contributors.

What's a waste is that we spend trillions of dollars developing tech to kill each other when we could actually put it to better use like solving world hunger or developing communities. Space exploration. Hell maybe even colonization one day.

Not only is that extremly interesting but worth every cent since having two homes is a lot better than having one.

I don't disagree with you on the military spending or the fact that space is interesting, but I think finding planets we don't have the technology to actually get to a waste and colinization is a convienient excuse. Untill we develop the means to travel faster than light speed then we will not be able to get a human to said planets anyway.
Personally I think this planet will be dust long before we ever manage to actually live beyond our planetary boarders, nessesity is the mother of invention though so we'll have to wait and see.
Don't get me wrong, 2 years ago was great for space exploration, now not so much. How many mouths could be fed or programs for the less fortunate be created with this money, space exploration is not cheap, Nasa's budget is probably bigger than the Americans defense budget.

Those tech are only developed one way, and that's making a path for it's direction. We have advanced a lot militarily since WW1 and WW2. Why? because so much money and focus get's directed to national security and the military.

If that funding and focus was directed as space, people would start realizing that the government money is in space exploration and will start designing tech for that specific field that the government will buy off of them.

Seeing how space exploration is expensive and not much economic focus is focused on it, theres no wonder why we haven't got anywhere.

Our current space exploration is moving like a turtle for the simple reason that not enough money and focus is directed at it. NASA even hung up it's coat for awhile.

[commanderkai]

Choban Choban:

Don't get me wrong, 2 years ago was great for space exploration, now not so much. How many mouths could be fed or programs for the less fortunate be created with this money, space exploration is not cheap, Nasa's budget is probably bigger than the Americans defense budget.

Eh, Canada's defense budget, maybe, but America's defense budget? Probably not.

I still support NASA's efforts, for two reasons. One: Like it or not, NASA probably hires thousands of people, and if there's one thing we don't need...is thousands of highly skilled engineers, designers, computer technicians, pilots, so on and so forth, just disappearing into the woodwork, or worse yet, selling off their information about rocketry, satellites, and whatever else, to the highest bidder due to their anger over being laid off.

Also, science is always something that should have continuous funding, maybe the larger projects can be scaled back somewhat, a few shuttle missions scraped, or a satellite construction put on hold, but putting NASA on the chopping block is a bad idea.

[Choban]

Let me take it a step further, If said planets are found who claims them??? The US and then what if we all need them when our planet goes down the shitter, will we all be Americans then or will they pick and choose who gets to go based on who the are at war with at the time.
In the interest of Humanity as a whole, all space exploration should be a joint effort of any and all countries who would like to invest the $ and manpower to get it done, everyoone wins and the financing is from a wider source than just the US/Canada, Russia and China. I think we can all agree thst if it gets to the point that we must colonize another planet we will all have to think of ourselves as Humans rather than Canadian/American/Iranian and so on.

[Choban]

Good point Commander, I'm starting to see some of the light. Truthfully I'd rather see $ go to space exploration than weapon development.

[Proculation]

I think there's already an international treaty stating that space is owned by every nations.

[Bacardi4206]

Choban Choban:

Let me take it a step further, If said planets are found who claims them??? The US and then what if we all need them when our planet goes down the shitter, will we all be Americans then or will they pick and choose who gets to go based on who the are at war with at the time.
In the interest of Humanity as a whole, all space exploration should be a joint effort of any and all countries who would like to invest the $ and manpower to get it done, everyoone wins and the financing is from a wider source than just the US/Canada, Russia and China. I think we can all agree thst if it gets to the point that we must colonize another planet we will all have to think of ourselves as Humans rather than Canadian/American/Iranian and so on.

IMO I think it belongs to whoever discovers it but it would most likely be a joint task between many space agencies as space colonization is not a easy or cheap task for one country alone. IMO I think NASA would be the lead space agency on that, with Canada contributing pretty much all there space tech and astronaughts to NASA rather than our own agency. I would think NASA would be a joint US/Canadian accomplishment but with the US calling the shots and making the rules.

China, Russia would probally be assisting with it and anybody else who focuses on space exploration.

[commanderkai]

Proculation Proculation:

I think there's already an international treaty stating that space is owned by every nations.

For now, sure. The only reason this treaty exists is because no one nation can exploit space to its complete benefit over another. So let's say...in 100 years, we have the technology to make our way into deep space (Let's say a second just below the speed of light). Do you really think those massive amounts of resources foreign planetary bodies hold will just be owned by every nation? Far from it, every space capable nation will wipe their ass with the treaty, and claim anything that they can place a flag on (and I bet you, many things they can't).

So for now, Sol is more international, but if the Americans establish a lunar research facility, can we as Canadians say its not theirs? Or the Russians? Or the Libyans?

Probably not. Sure, in the beginning, we won't be having space battles, but...it'll happen.

Anyway, in the beginning, it'd probably be a US/Canadian/European/Australian/Korean Japanese (and possibly others, like Israel) effort, at the start, with the Russians and Chinese either trying on their own, or working together with a few of their dink nations (North Korea, Vietnam, whatever Middle Eastern power), and by the beginning, I mean the Moon, Mars, the asteroid belt, and Saturn/Jupiter's moons. After that, we'll see...

[dino_bobba_renno]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Theres no chance that not one of them is earth like. I thought they already discovered many earth like planets? Good atmosphere, water, air.

I'm positive they did too, I think I saw something about it on Discovery a while ago.