[Smacle]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Smacle Smacle:

You didn't read my post correctly. There were no comparisons at all. Least of all between the Anthem and religion, that thought doesn't even make sense.

Sure you did. You said both should be taught at home as if they had something in common that should keep them out of schools. Why should they both be taught at home?

Because school is an acedemic institution. If you want to learn values or loyalties, thats something you learn from your parents or peers. If the National Anthem fits anywhere acedemically, it's in history class where you would learn when and how it was made. Otherwise, I have no problem singing it at assemblies, as a recognition of the pride we have for our country but that pride isn't something I want to be taught, or conditioned, by schools, not to my kids when I get some eventually anyways. I would like to take that on myself.

[RUEZ]

Smacle Smacle:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Smacle Smacle:

You didn't read my post correctly. There were no comparisons at all. Least of all between the Anthem and religion, that thought doesn't even make sense.

Sure you did. You said both should be taught at home as if they had something in common that should keep them out of schools. Why should they both be taught at home?

Because school is an acedemic institution. If you want to learn values or loyalties, that something you learn from your parents or peers. If the National Anthem fits anywhere acedemically, it's in history class where you would learn when and how it was made.

So let's cut out woodworking, metal shop, home economics, consumer education, graphic arts, P.E., drama. There's no need to have extra curicular activities and sports, no more field trips. No more sex ed, let the kids learn it the old fashioned way. Definatley no need for classes that teach us about other cultures, that can be taught in the home.

[Smacle]

RUEZ RUEZ:

So let's cut out woodworking, metal shop, home economics, consumer education, graphic arts, P.E., drama. There's no need to have extra curicular activities and sports, no more field trips. No more sex ed, let the kids learn it the old fashioned way. Definatley no need for classes that teach us about other cultures, that can be taught in the home.

Sorry, wasn't done editing. I see your point but the majority of those classes have something to teach you about your future careers and have very little to teach you about values. Schools have no place telling you what to value, that responsibility falls on the parents shoulders. Schools are there to teach you how to do things, not why you should do them. If these parents want their kids the sing the National Anthem every day, they can sing it with them after breakfast. I think it's important to be proud of your country, even if your government is a little hard to take seriously sometimes, but to try to make everybody so patriotic that not forceing everyone to sing the National Anthem every morning is considered immoral? I mean come on, life is about moderation.

[Bacardi4206]

Smacle Smacle:

I think it's up to the parents to teach their kids about their country and their religion. Keep them both out of my kids schools. I want my child to practise the ABCs, I'll worry about the Anthem and explaining that santa clause and god aren't real.

The Anthem is the song of Canada, seeing how you're kids are lucky enough to be getting a education in a Canadian School instead of being born in some third world country where the school's either teach mostly religion, or not enough of actual education and where most people can't even afford to send there kids to school.

I don't think you should mind if your kids spend 2 minutes to SING the national anthem, singing is good for them. All kids should sing atleast once a day, and the anthem gives them good reason to.

Secondly, wtf does Santa Clause and God have to do with the Anthem? Santa Clause has zero to do with it, and god is only mentioned in it.

2 minutes of singing, and you're kid can still practice the ABC's. The national anthem is a way of respecting our country, our citizens, our soldiers and all our freedoms that we have.

Are you saying that you don't want your kids to be respectful of the sacrafices and all of the freedoms and benefits they gain today? If so, maybe you should start teaching you're kid to be disrespectful of the food on your table by saying.

"Want's this bullshit mom? I could have bought better food at McDonalds, atleast I get a toy with it as well"

You know, to be fair with your own expectations of how your child should be.

[martin14]

Smacle Smacle:

RUEZ RUEZ:

So let's cut out woodworking, metal shop, home economics, consumer education, graphic arts, P.E., drama. There's no need to have extra curicular activities and sports, no more field trips. No more sex ed, let the kids learn it the old fashioned way. Definatley no need for classes that teach us about other cultures, that can be taught in the home.

Sorry, wasn't done editing. I see your point but the majority of those classes have something to teach you about your future careers and have very little to teach you about values. Schools have no place telling you what to value, that responsibility falls on the parents shoulders. Schools are there to teach you how to do things, not why you should do them. If these parents want their kids the sing the National Anthem every day, they can sing it with them after breakfast. I think it's important to be proud of your country, even if your government is a little hard to take seriously sometimes, but to try to make everybody so patriotic that not forceing everyone to sing the National Anthem every morning is considered immoral? I mean come on, life is about moderation.

Schools shouldnt teach values... brilliant idea.

How do you expect anyone to be able to live in a cohesive society
if there are no common values being taught to everyone ?

Smacle, even a small village has common values.

[llama66]

Smacle Smacle:

RUEZ RUEZ:

So let's cut out woodworking, metal shop, home economics, consumer education, graphic arts, P.E., drama. There's no need to have extra curicular activities and sports, no more field trips. No more sex ed, let the kids learn it the old fashioned way. Definatley no need for classes that teach us about other cultures, that can be taught in the home.

Sorry, wasn't done editing. I see your point but the majority of those classes have something to teach you about your future careers and have very little to teach you about values. Schools have no place telling you what to value, that responsibility falls on the parents shoulders. Schools are there to teach you how to do things, not why you should do them. If these parents want their kids the sing the National Anthem every day, they can sing it with them after breakfast. I think it's important to be proud of your country, even if your government is a little hard to take seriously sometimes, but to try to make everybody so patriotic that not forceing everyone to sing the National Anthem every morning is considered immoral? I mean come on, life is about moderation.

Absolutely schools teach values, you make it seem like its a big deal to show a little respect to the country that you live in, a country where your freedom was paid for in the blood of thousands. Parents for the most part "don't have the time" to teach kids about "patriotism".

[llama66]

And we act surprised when we realized how morally bankrupt our so-called modern society really is, its because we cave and change everything that is offensive to somebody...

[Bacardi4206]

Smacle, if a couple of parents diddn't see the 'value' in hockey or physical education at all but YOUR kids loved hockey and you knew it was a way for them to get active, make friends and keep healthy.

Should those parents win and let P.E. get banned, ruining the fun and good education for your kids and the others kids who benefit from P.E. and have fun doing it? Because that is no different than this.

The National Anthem is a song for Canada, it's a song that shows respect to our country and our history. Respect for our values, our freedoms and everything we got because of this country.

If you don't want you're kid to be respectful that he has toys, television, food on the table and clothes on his back. That has a roof over his head, etc. All because his country has a good economy and many jobs where his mommy and daddy can get jobs and provide him with all these goodies. Where he can go to school and get a good education that is highly valued in many countries that he can get a job in if he wanted or get a job in Canada to support his own family one day because he lives in a country with that oppertunity.

If you want you're kid to not be respectful for all that, and all the soldiers that lost there lives protect those values and freedoms and way of lives. To belong to a country that values peacekeeping over policing, and devotes most of it's time and efforts bringing peace to countries rather than bringing war. Than you can teach those bad values to him at home, but as I said above and as is said in the articles of this story. Many kids love going to school to sing the anthem and show respect to there country. Many parents love there kids who get to sing, and love the fact that there kid's are respectful for there country.

Don't be a party pooper for those kids and parents, you wouldn't want something you thought was valueable for you're kids banned so you're kids couldn't do it all because a couple kids parents we're party poopers would you? Nope, so show the same respect.

I hope this fuels a petition to get the other schools to review there bans and put it back to normal and how it should be.

If anybody see's one of those petitions, provide to link so everybody can sign it.

[GreenTiger]

There is nothing wrong with teaching the national anthem in schools.

I am an American who had relatives fight along side of Canadians in WWII. Canada is a great country with Great people and traditions. At times they were more courageous and moral than we were. This is not something to be swept under the rug.

As an American I am bothered by this. I am very proud to have Canadians as my neighbours, you are the salt of the earth.

Teaching your children the national anthem in school should be as natural as teaching them their ABCs. This politically correct BS is exactly that. Canada not only kicks ass but they do with grace and dignity.

[Bacardi4206]

I've been reading GreenTiger's posts and I think he should start packing his bags and move to Canada , or atleast if he doesn't. Go to America, and kidnap him.

[Smacle]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Smacle, if a couple of parents diddn't see the 'value' in hockey or physical education at all but YOUR kids loved hockey and you knew it was a way for them to get active, make friends and keep healthy.

Should those parents win and let P.E. get banned, ruining the fun and good education for your kids and the others kids who benefit from P.E. and have fun doing it? Because that is no different than this.

It's not the same at all.. The anthem wasn't banned, they just don't sing it every morning anymore.

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Are you saying that you don't want your kids to be respectful of the sacrafices and all of the freedoms and benefits they gain today? If so, maybe you should start teaching you're kid to be disrespectful of the food on your table by saying.

Nothing of the sort. I'm saying that it is something that should be taught, not indoctrinated.

martin14 martin14:

Schools shouldnt teach values... brilliant idea.

How do you expect anyone to be able to live in a cohesive society
if there are no common values being taught to everyone ?

Smacle, even a small village has common values.

People interact with eachother in places other than school. Values would be taught by example instead of in a classroom. Why do you think kids are so fucked up these days? Students don't respect teachers for the most part, these values should be taught by someone the kids can relate to and want to follow(ie. their parents or peers).


"Parents for the most part "don't have the time" to teach kids about "patriotism"."

Bad parenting. Poor role models.

"The National Anthem is a song for Canada, it's a song that shows respect to our country and our history. Respect for our values, our freedoms and everything we got because of this country."

You act as if Im saying that isnt true. Im saying that it should be taught by someone the kids actually respect and will respond to, rather than being indoctrinated by their teachers.

"I hope this fuels a petition to get the other schools to review there bans and put it back to normal and how it should be."

Theres that ban word again. Nobody banned anything those kids can still sing the anthem everymorning if they want it just isnt manditory anymore.

[RUEZ]

Smacle Smacle:

It's not the same at all.. The anthem wasn't banned, they just don't sing it every morning anymore.

Yes it was. The principal banned it's morning recital because two people complained.

[Smacle]

ban1   /bæn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ban] Show IPA Pronunciation
verb, banned, ban⋅ning, noun
–verb (used with object)

1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict: to ban nuclear weapons; The dictator banned all newspapers and books that criticized his regime.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ban

"Principal Erik Millett has been at the centre of controversy since it was learned he ended the daily O Canada ritual at Belleisle Elementary in Upper Belleisle, N.B. because of the complaints of two parents. "

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=41183

Did I miss the part when it was banned?

[RUEZ]

Smacle Smacle:

Did I miss the part when it was banned?

I think your missing out on a lot if you can't understand this.

[Smacle]

I could say the same for you.