[hurley_108]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Also hurley there aren't even 35 billion scientists in the world, let alone climate scientists. A lot of the sceptics of the theory are all scientists belonging to Britain. You can sum up as many scientists to back AGW as you can scientists to go against it.

There aren't 35 billion people in the world, that's why I picked that number.

\Sarcasm is just LOST on some people....

[sandorski]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Also hurley there aren't even 35 billion scientists in the world, let alone climate scientists. A lot of the sceptics of the theory are all scientists belonging to Britain. You can sum up as many scientists to back AGW as you can scientists to go against it.

There aren't 35 billion people in the world, that's why I picked that number.

\Sarcasm is just LOST on some people....

There is, however, likely 35 billion posts about Global Warming on the Internet.

[Bacardi4206]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Also hurley there aren't even 35 billion scientists in the world, let alone climate scientists. A lot of the sceptics of the theory are all scientists belonging to Britain. You can sum up as many scientists to back AGW as you can scientists to go against it.

There aren't 35 billion people in the world, that's why I picked that number.

\Sarcasm is just LOST on some people....

Yes sarcasm is completly lost with some people, just like the failure to come up with a decent arguement is lost with others.

[DerbyX]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Please. CO2 is good for plants! Therefore it can't possibly be causing global warming!

\This is fun!
\\Sorry DerbyX...

The most fun you can have without being forced to cuddle afterwards.

[N_Fiddledog]

This should give you a better idea about what's happening up there so far. They're satellite pics. Dark purple means deepest ice. 2007 is on left. 2008 is on right.

This one's from a couple of weeks ago.



This one's from June 26.



You can get graphs and other data from, I think it's called, cryosphere today.

It's too early to make assumptions, I think, even though, at this point, yeah there appears to more ice, and comparable deep ice, than there was this time last year. Nevertheless the larger melt is just beginning.

[ridenrain]

Do a google search and you'll find that there are also a few volcanos that have become active in that area too.
In any case, if it gets really bad we can transplant ice from the south pole where it's definately doing pretty good.

[mtbr]

we can transplant the ice on the foothills west of Calgary that has yet to melt.


"North Pole could be ice-free this summer, scientists say"

and other scientists say ...you're smoking crack, but that doesn't matter because those guys are all "DENIERS" paid by"BIG OIL"

[sandorski]

mtbr mtbr:

we can transplant the ice on the foothills west of Calgary that has yet to melt.


"North Pole could be ice-free this summer, scientists say"

and other scientists say ...you're smoking crack, but that doesn't matter because those guys are all "DENIERS" paid by"BIG OIL"

They are Deniers until they provide some Studies and Evidence.

[Zipperfish]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I saw that load of crap this morning.

Where? In the mirror?

rotfl

[faile]

sandorski sandorski:

They are Deniers until they provide some Studies and Evidence.

Burden of proof.

[sandorski]

faile faile:

sandorski sandorski:

They are Deniers until they provide some Studies and Evidence.

Burden of proof.

What about it?

[Pseudonym]

Let it be forever known that I despise arguments about the burden of proof. Can we just once stop asking the other side to shovel links down everyone's throats?

/starts to cry

[BartSimpson]

In defense of Hurley's post, his avatar is of an actor who plays a character named "Hurley" on the immensely popular ABC television program "LOST".

As to the North Pole itself being ice free this summer, you all who support this kind of bullsh*t won't mind when I come back in November and razz you for believing this alarmist tripe after the North Pole wasn't ice free, right?

Also, the Northwest Passage has been relatively ice free in the recent past which is why several ships have transisted it successfully in the past.

[DerbyX]

One good photo deserves another.



supporting evidence.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... 24966.html
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org ... ciers.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01618.html

Now the fact that some people simply dismiss the obvious isn't that disturbing, its pretty human afterall.

The glaring error I see is that often the same people disputing the evidence that the earth is heating up are the very same people that when faced with evidence they can't dispute simply state "well its perfectly normal for the earth to go through heating and cooling trends".

Which is it? Is the earth not heating up or is it just perfectly natural?

We never seem to see people cheerfully agreeing that the arctic ice is indeed melting more then in previous years and that glaciers are receeding but its all perfectly natural.

[N_Fiddledog]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Do a google search and you'll find that there are also a few volcanos that have become active in that area too.
In any case, if it gets really bad we can transplant ice from the south pole where it's definately doing pretty good.

I think you're talking about this aren't you?

$1:

An international team of researchers was able to provide evidence of explosive volcanism in the deeps of the ice-covered Arctic Ocean for the first time. Researchers from an expedition to the Gakkel Ridge, led by the American Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI), report in the current issue of the journal Nature that they discovered, with a specially developed camera, extensive layers of volcanic ash on the seafloor, which indicates a gigantic volcanic eruption.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 062508.php

So yeah, there's no telling how much Arctic warming that might explain.

The more obvious one they've been talking about recently is Soot.

$1:

"Black carbon in snow causes about three times the temperature change as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere," Zender says. "The climate is more responsive to this than [to] anything else we know."

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=imp ... riven-snow

Soot might also explain, at least partially why the ice in the heavily industrialized Northern Hemisphere is melting to record levels, while the ice in the less industrialized Southern Hemisphere is growing to record levels.

It's probably a combination of a lot of things though, volcanic activity, soot, winds, ocean oscillations, clouds or lack of them, Ozone, aerosols, and maybe even a teensy tiny little portion has to do with the little bitty bit of CO2 in greenhouse gases.