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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:53 pm
 


lily lily:
They said it was against the rules.
It isn't.

It might not be against the rules but I'm sure the person who created the Judo art form didn't really have head coverings covered in his little manual.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:00 am
 


Then it doesn't exist. It still doesn't discard the persons safety concerning Judo.

Edit - Just read your bit up above which mentions Judo practiced in other Muslim countries. Of course, that might say that those who practice judo in those countries are not wearing hijabs as some Muslim countries have laws that do not require all females to wear head coverings if not by choosing. In fact, most Muslim countries do not force all women to wear the hijab but rather the more "radical" of them do. There are Muslim countries who have people who are not Muslim, believe it or not.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:40 am
 


lily
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Muslim countries don't allow women to do anything.


They don't?


In Saudi Arabia this would not be a problem because there are no female athletics there.

Women walk 1 step behind men, do not drive cars and must ride in the back seat. They must be in the company of a male relative outside their dwelling. They are either the property of their father, male relative or husband. They are chattels.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:37 am
 


I believe the safety concerns are legit in this case. These kids are falling and flipping and spinning around. If the scarf were to cover ones eyes, and one were to begin falling (whether being taken down, or on their own) (depending on how disciplined they are) chances are their first reaction will be to uncover their eyes in which case they might not brace for a fall properly (sure the mats help, but if you fall in an awkward position, especially when young, you can still injured yourself) or if in a hold of some sort and the scarf tightens around the neck and the child can't show signs of duress.
And sure, we've waited for someone to get severely hurt with other sports rules, why should we do the same here? If you can foresee the event, do what's needed to ensure it doesn't happen, especially when dealing with children.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:41 am
 


I think its coming to the place all religion is going to be banned, eventually.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:43 am
 


I think the muslim woman should be happy , at least they are allowed to play.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:47 am
 


lily lily:
They said it was against the rules.
It isn't.


That's like charging the microwave manufacturer for not stating in their users manual that the microwave isn't to be used for drying cats.

Rules are set, without consideration for the changing circumstances.
So 'common sense' comes into play.

The person who denied the kid entry, used his judgement of the game to assess the situation on the spot and thereby bent the rules in favour of safety. Everybody's safety.

Good for him.
There's not many people who dare to stick their neck out and make a possible impopular decision.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:39 am
 


To put this down as a safety issue is a little bit disingenuous, I think. I played judo for a number of years and have to wonder. I admit I have NO idea how her head wear is attached or how safe it may or may not be but I do know how dangerous it is for a boy to wear underwear while playing judo and I've never seen a judo match where the judges checked to see that each boy was not wearing any.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:04 am
 


If she can Judo like everyone else then it shouldn't really be an issue, plus she's just a kid cut her some slack..


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:36 am
 


What do girls with long hair do? If safety is the ultimate concern, why aren't all participants have to have short hair? Surely that's marginally safer than having a ponytail that can be pulled, or hit someone's eyes.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:42 am
 


A ponytail or a hijab is apples and oranges imho. An hijab is worn on the head and around your neck, and don't forget the pin to hold it together with...


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:44 am
 


WDHIII WDHIII:
Wada Wada:
To put this down as a safety issue is a little bit disingenuous, I think. I played judo for a number of years and have to wonder. I admit I have NO idea how her head wear is attached or how safe it may or may not be but I do know how dangerous it is for a boy to wear underwear while playing judo and I've never seen a judo match where the judges checked to see that each boy was not wearing any.
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Well wada if yur underwear slips over your eyes in mid wrestle Id say SAFETY is the least of your issues :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:48 am
 


Brenda Brenda:
A ponytail or a hijab is apples and oranges imho. An hijab is worn on the head and around your neck, and don't forget the pin to hold it together with...
Everyone is speculating that the hijab is a danger, but long hair presents the same potontial dangers.

A hijab can be worn to come off easily if grabbed, and fastened with something other than a pin - not so much the case with long hair.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:53 am
 


WDHIII WDHIII:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
What do girls with long hair do? If safety is the ultimate concern, why aren't all participants have to have short hair? Surely that's marginally safer than having a ponytail that can be pulled, or hit someone's eyes.


My newphews g/f wrestles -she puts her hair in a pony tail then folds it in half and actually has a little sleeve that goes over it which is held in place by elastics.

From what I understand her coach dropped the hint several times that she should get it cut but she declined.

Also having been to quite a few of his high school events I have to say... most of the girls that wrestle really arent the long hair kinda gals :wink:
Right - she takes reasonable measures to ensure her hair isn't a safety concern.

I don't see why that can't happen with headscarves. Perhaps hers wasn't considered safe at the time of this particular event, but that's not to say that they should be banned completely.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:58 am
 


There are special sport-scarfs for sale. Maybe she should have worn that...


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