[llama66]

For the record, I ignore almost everyone.

[stratos]

llama66 llama66:

For the record, I ignore almost everyone.

Did you just say something

[BartSimpson]

Did somebody post something? I wasn't paying attention.

[peck420]

I don't know what happened but, there is popcorn everywhere....

[stratos]

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

llama66 llama66:

It has been said that science is the new religion.

Whoever tells you that, they can be safely ignored. Religion requires 'faith' in absence of proof. Science requires proof, and a suppression of faith. It cannot be a religion.

I'm not sure who is supposed to have said what llama suggests.

I have heard it said that there is a cultist type believe in some of what the believers call "climate science" or "the science" where they suggest they have some unproven power of prophecy that tells us climate doom is coming, so repent by putting the people behind the prophets into power and while we're waiting cough up some cash.

There are religious parallels to that. Also snake oil sales.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And the Beave wants to lose another meme war does he?

Oh goody.

That meme is apt and you have no rebuttal to it.

[fifeboy]

I know exactly where it began...

[stratos]

$1:

I'm not sure who is supposed to have said what llama suggests.

Thing is he wasn't listening so where not even sure if something was said.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

How 'organized climate change denial' shapes public opinion on global warming

With citizens around the world filling the streets demanding climate action, it might appear that the voices of contrarians are growing fainter. But doubts about climate change still surface.

Just this week, Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada, told the Toronto Star's editorial board that "while the climate may be changing, this is not due primarily to human activity."

In the U.S., climate contrarians hold key political positions.

"We have the president of the United States basically enunciating climate denier talking points, so it's still alive and well," said Robert Brulle, a professor at Brown University in Providence, R.I., who has spent years researching climate contrarians.

John Cook at the Center for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University recently completed a study tracking climate misinformation in internet articles. He discovered an increase in rhetoric denying that warming is happening — but he also saw evidence of an uptick in misinformation about climate change solutions over the last few years.

Other climate communication researchers say they've noticed a similar trend.

"In some ways, the face of climate denial in political rhetoric has shifted," said Matto Mildenberger, a Canadian climate policy researcher currently working at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

"It tends to be much more either, 'We can't do anything about it' or 'It's not important enough to do right away.'"

The researchers have also found evidence that climate misinformation is affecting public opinion about the nature of climate change and the efficacy of solutions.

. . . .

In one paper, Dunlap identified the members of the movement as "contrarian scientists, fossil fuels corporations, conservative think-tanks, and various front groups," along with "a bevy of amateur climate bloggers and self-designated experts, public relations firms, astroturf groups, conservative media and pundits, and conservative politicians."

Over the last three decades, a series of investigative news stories as well as academic research revealed additional evidence of what Dunlap called "organized climate change denial."

In 1991, a New York Times story described how a campaign by coal-burning utility companies and coal producers aimed "to 'reposition global warming as theory' and not fact."

In 1998, leaked documents from the American Petroleum Institute, a trade organization for the oil and gas industry, described its plan to boost uncertainty about climate change. Those documents, now published online by the Union of Concerned Scientists, describe a global communications action plan where "victory will be achieved when … recognition of uncertainties [around climate science] becomes part of the 'conventional wisdom.'"

"The conservative movement/fossil fuel complex quickly adopted the strategy of 'manufacturing' uncertainty and doubt (perfected by the tobacco industry) as its preferred strategy for promoting skepticism," Dunlap wrote.

"I think it's important that the public understand that there are these powerful economic actors that have been working very hard to distort what the public thinks about this," said Mildenberger.

"This is a beast, or a demon, that's been unleashed by the fossil fuel industry that's taken on a bit of a life of its own."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/clim ... -1.5297236

[raydan]

You know that even if we finally convince the deniers that climate change is real, they'll deny that it's our fault. If we convince them that it's our fault, they'll say that if China/India doesn't clean up their act, why should we. If China/India cleans up their act, they'll say it's too late to do anything, so why try.

#ThePriceOfDoingBusiness

[DrCaleb]

raydan raydan:

You know that even if we finally convince the deniers that climate change is real, they'll deny that it's our fault. If we convince them that it's our fault, they'll say that if China/India doesn't clean up their act, why should we. If China/India cleans up their act, they'll say it's too late to do anything, so why try.

#ThePriceOfDoingBusiness

That's why I don't bother any more. If they can see the science improving their lives in pretty much every area of society, but choose to ignore it when it comes to climate change, they are beyond hope. All I can do is show them who has made up their minds for them, by following the money.

[N_Fiddledog]

raydan raydan:

You know that even if we finally convince the deniers that climate change is real, they'll deny that it's our fault. If we convince them that it's our fault, they'll say that if China/India doesn't clean up their act, why should we. If China/India cleans up their act, they'll say it's too late to do anything, so why try.

#ThePriceOfDoingBusiness

Well first you have to clarify what you mean by "Climate Change." What do think is being denied? That climate changes. Nobody denies that so what are you even talking about?

Warmageddon, you mean? Well if I understood your side's prophecy on that one, the earliest we can expect it is sometime after 100 years so is that when you're expecting this "convincing" you propose? You plan to be around for that one, do you?

As far as the China/India thing goes people are already noticing that, so again what are you even talking about?

[PluggyRug]

[raydan]

I don't have to clarify anything.