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Sure we can read which is why the laughing emoji was put on my original post. Well that and it's interesting to see people lose their minds over some hippie doctor who makes claims that apparently misrepresents a meatless burger.
I lose my mind over people spreading garbage. Stop spreading garbage and maybe I won't tee off on you.
Also, back pedal all you want, but you wouldn't have listed this as health if you didn't think it had legitimacy.
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But you guys harping about soy got me interested on whether this guys is just nuts or if there was some actual background to his accusations. So, I Googled it and guess what I found? There is a portion of the scientific community who are split on the subject of whether it's health benefits outweigh its potentially harmful effects (in an altered state). So maybe dismissing him outright because of his parroting of others findings might not be fair especially if you want to be a dad.
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CONCLUSIONS
These data suggest that higher intake of soy foods and soy isoflavones is associated with lower sperm concentration.
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article ... 84/2913898Key word is concentration. Not count.
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In men, a small pilot cross-sectional study found that very modest soy consumption was associated with lower sperm concentration (sperm count was not decreased) but there were many weaknesses to this study [383]. In fact, much of the decreased sperm concentration occurred because there was an increase in ejaculate volume in men consuming higher amounts of soy, a finding which seems biologically implausible. Furthermore, this same research group subsequently found in a cross-sectional study involving 184 men from couples undergoing in vitro fertilization that male partner's intake of soyfoods and soy isoflavones was unrelated to fertilization rates, proportions of poor quality embryos, accelerated or slow embryo cleavage rate, and implantation, clinical pregnancy and live births [384].
Finally, and most importantly, all three of the clinical studies conducted show that isoflavones have no effect on sperm concentration or quality [385,386,387]. Interestingly, a case report indicated that daily isoflavone supplementation for six months in the male partner of an infertile couple with initially low sperm count led to normalization of sperm quality and quantity [388].
From my link above.
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So, before we dismiss this guy outright there may be a grain of truth in his wild assed claims about soy and other modified vegies.
I dismiss people who make claims that have no foundation in data and research. Dr. Mercola is a vile human being who should be stripped of his license and have his Doctorate revoked.
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As is often the case when it comes to nutrition, the answers aren’t black and white. But for the most part, "Soy-based foods are some of the best foods you can eat on the planet," says Jaclyn London, MS, RD, CDN, Nutrition Director at the Good Housekeeping Institute. "Soybeans provide a plant-based protein source; a slew of vitamins and minerals crucial for reducing risk of chronic disease; and fiber that helps you fill up and feel satisfied."
While some small, poorly designed studies have made inflammatory headlines over the years, it’s important to think about all foods in context. Eating plant-based foods in their closest-to-nature (a.k.a. least processed) form? Super nutritious. But taking supplements made with the compounds in soybean? Not so much.
"That’s where we’ve seen health risks," London explains. "In fact, it’s not uncommon to see research reflecting consuming compounds in supplement form rather than eating the foods themselves." Those supplements are linked to increased disease risk, while real, whole foods are linked to decreased disease risk.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health ... d-for-you/"Good Housekeeping Institute" sounds impressive. It's part of a women's magazine, and doesn't do any actual science that I can tell.
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So will eating a meatless burger kill you? Probably not unless you're allergic to one of the substances but is it as good for you as they claim? Maybe, maybe not.
I don't think anyone has really claimed it's that great for you. It's got a solid amount of protein for it's size, but it still has a lot of calories to it. The argument is that it's easier to grow peas for pea protein than it is to raise cattle for beef.
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