[herbie]

Had this issue when I ran a WISP. Could attach TV/Net dishes to the rail of balconies, or on tripods on the roof, but not attach mounts to the side of the building.

[Freakinoldguy]

BRAH BRAH:

Condo boards are corrupt as politicians.

Are you accusing me and Xerxes of being corrupt or, politicians.

[llama66]

...Yes...

[Freakinoldguy]

llama66 llama66:

...Yes...

I can't speak for xerxes but allow me to emphatically say " I am not a crook"

[llama66]

Is your dog's name "checkers"?

[Strutz]

xerxes xerxes:

peck420 peck420:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

The real question I want answered is, which asshole complained? And can we extreme rendition them somewhere?

Generally speaking?

Almost always a 'board member' whose particular unit has a shit ton (metric) of deficiencies.

Believe it or not, I'm on the strata council of my condo, and in my limited experience, most often the trouble comes from one or two busybody's with too much time on their hands.

I can agree with this. I've lived in 2 stratas, a previous one in a townhouse complex and my current one in a condo. Some of the crap people decide to bitch about is unreal. What makes it worse is when they convince others to agree with them.

[Freakinoldguy]

Strutz Strutz:

I can agree with this. I've lived in 2 stratas, a previous one in a townhouse complex and my current one in a condo. Some of the crap people decide to bitch about is unreal. What makes it worse is when they convince others to agree with them.

So here's the question. Why do people buy into a strata in the first place and then get pissed off when someone complains about them not following the bylaws or rules that they agreed to follow when they purchased? It doesn't make sense.

[xerxes]

They think the rules don’t apply to them. Or that no one will notice. Maybe it’s a minor infraction and council will let it slide.

For example, In my condo, we have a one cat or dog pet policy. For a long time we had an owner two of the most vicious chihuahuas I’ve ever seen but it was allowed to go on. But that’s changed. Now the rule is enforced.

[Freakinoldguy]

xerxes xerxes:

They think the rules don’t apply to them. Or that no one will notice. Maybe it’s a minor infraction and council will let it slide.

For example, In my condo, we have a one cat or dog pet policy. For a long time we had an owner two of the most vicious chihuahuas I’ve ever seen but it was allowed to go on. But that’s changed. Now the rule is enforced.

It should have been all along and i'll bet it took a new council to enforce it? The real trouble with Strata councils is that some people get on them to further their own agenda's which is something that pisses me off more than people flaunting the bylaws.

One of the years I was off council we had a President who got a tree resolution passed. Well nobody on council questioned it and she was able to get a bunch of trees that were legally on city property topped which enhanced her view considerably when she went to sell her house a month later.

Or, there was another one who had the strata paying to clean the city sidewalks around our strata of leaves, branches and other debris from the cities trees despite the fact there's no bylaw in our city that requires anyone other than the aforementioned city to keep their sidewalks clean. But somehow she managed to convince a very compliant council that it was our responsibility which of course it wasn't. As it turns out her kids used that sidewalk to walk to school.

So, other than maintaining order and conformity in a strata, self serving assholes are likely the biggest problem anyone will encounter during their time on council and is the main reason why I keep going back on council because, I flat refuse to let someone use the homeowners money to benefit themselves rather than the strata as a whole.

[herbie]

One of the reasons people will pay $1,000,000+ for a detached house.
Smoke tobacco or pot, BBQ and fart in your backyard with impunity. Keep a mangy cat or yappy dog, let the kids run around screaming on the lawn.
Put a flag on a pole or in your window if you want to.

[Strutz]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Strutz Strutz:

I can agree with this. I've lived in 2 stratas, a previous one in a townhouse complex and my current one in a condo. Some of the crap people decide to bitch about is unreal. What makes it worse is when they convince others to agree with them.

So here's the question. Why do people buy into a strata in the first place and then get pissed off when someone complains about them not following the bylaws or rules that they agreed to follow when they purchased? It doesn't make sense.

Well, in my experience it was not so much about them violating bylaws but about creating new issues.

One example is from when I was in a townhouse complex. A woman decided to speak up about the "disgrace" on garbage day when some residents didn't put their garbage cans back in their sheds until a late as 5 or 6pm! Well, duh, most of us had jobs during the day and were not home at the time the damn garbage was being picked up unlike her, who probably hovered at her window watching for the pick up to scurry out within minutes to put her can away. She insisted that it made the neighborhood look bad and that it made our property values go down A few others latched onto this too. The strata president responded by saying something to the effect of "well, I'm sure everyone would appreciate if those concerned put everyone else's cans away". LOL.

A few years ago at my condo's AGM we were voting on a resolution to upgrade our pathetic security system cameras and it would have passed had it not been for this one chick who told everyone how CCTV cameras would be LIVE STREAMED on the internet and that meant EVERYONE OUT THERE would be able to watch us all coming and going. OMG! She got enough people frightened by this possibility that the vote failed. She then joined the strata council (no, I did not vote for her). The following year it wasn't even on the table to vote for and by then several residents had had their vehicles broke into and were pissed that there was no footage available to assist the police and that we were not even discussing voting for the cameras. 2 of the 3 mailbox walls have been broken into within the last couple of years as well and again, footage would have been handy. Finally, this past AGM in January it became a resolution again and we voted again and it passed easily. Funny that although she is on council she was mysteriously absent from the AGM...

There is also this couple in my condo that at every AGM they go on and on about this and that but one of the funnier ones was when they suggested that the strata/property manager should provide every owner with a copy of every receipt, invoice, etc of every expense that takes place so that all owners can verify the financial statements numbers. Can you imagine the amount of paper and admin costs that would be?

At this past AGM a new resident (I think) stated she didn't like it that a neighbor of hers BBQ frequently. She suggested that the bylaw should be changed not to ban BBQing, but that rather than people doing it on their decks they should take their BBQ down to the courtyard and do it there. Uh-huh... because that makes sense...

[Freakinoldguy]

Strutz Strutz:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Strutz Strutz:

I can agree with this. I've lived in 2 stratas, a previous one in a townhouse complex and my current one in a condo. Some of the crap people decide to bitch about is unreal. What makes it worse is when they convince others to agree with them.

So here's the question. Why do people buy into a strata in the first place and then get pissed off when someone complains about them not following the bylaws or rules that they agreed to follow when they purchased? It doesn't make sense.

Well, in my experience it was not so much about them violating bylaws but about creating new issues.

One example is from when I was in a townhouse complex. A woman decided to speak up about the "disgrace" on garbage day when some residents didn't put their garbage cans back in their sheds until a late as 5 or 6pm! Well, duh, most of us had jobs during the day and were not home at the time the damn garbage was being picked up unlike her, who probably hovered at her window watching for the pick up to scurry out within minutes to put her can away. She insisted that it made the neighborhood look bad and that it made our property values go down A few others latched onto this too. The strata president responded by saying something to the effect of "well, I'm sure everyone would appreciate if those concerned put everyone else's cans away". LOL.

A few years ago at my condo's AGM we were voting on a resolution to upgrade our pathetic security system cameras and it would have passed had it not been for this one chick who told everyone how CCTV cameras would be LIVE STREAMED on the internet and that meant EVERYONE OUT THERE would be able to watch us all coming and going. OMG! She got enough people frightened by this possibility that the vote failed. She then joined the strata council (no, I did not vote for her). The following year it wasn't even on the table to vote for and by then several residents had had their vehicles broke into and were pissed that there was no footage available to assist the police and that we were not even discussing voting for the cameras. 2 of the 3 mailbox walls have been broken into within the last couple of years as well and again, footage would have been handy. Finally, this past AGM in January it became a resolution again and we voted again and it passed easily. Funny that although she is on council she was mysteriously absent from the AGM...

There is also this couple in my condo that at every AGM they go on and on about this and that but one of the funnier ones was when they suggested that the strata/property manager should provide every owner with a copy of every receipt, invoice, etc of every expense that takes place so that all owners can verify the financial statements numbers. Can you imagine the amount of paper and admin costs that would be?

At this past AGM a new resident (I think) stated she didn't like it that a neighbor of hers BBQ frequently. She suggested that the bylaw should be changed not to ban BBQing, but that rather than people doing it on their decks they should take their BBQ down to the courtyard and do it there. Uh-huh... because that makes sense...

The thing with strata's is that they should be able to temper bylaws and rules with common sense. But if some asshat wants to push a personal item there is really nothing they can do till an AGM where, any insanity can be properly shelved by the owners under "who's the idiot that proposed that one".

Although the things people are complaining about in your strata appear to be nothing more than petty grievances designed to stir up trouble and/or push an agenda. There is nothing about bylaws or rules that they really affect except for taking up the council's time and effort drafting new ones to be registered if they pass which, my guess is that they never will.

The thing is that as a co-operative everyone has a voice and you can't pick and choose who gets to propose rules and bylaws. So, even the stupid ones can get through to the finish line where they hopefully die before they see the light of day.


As for the security system we're having something similar about major water issues. Our lines keep breaking because of improper installation decades ago. Well there's a proposal on the table that was passed to repair all waterlines from the main to the individual property lines at the cost of 200K. So to fund these repairs we had raise our fees by a substantial amount for the interim till we can pay off the repairs without a levy. Well the fight at the AGM was a blood sport. But the majority decided to do it despite the push back from numerous people who felt that paying the extra in strata fees wasn't feasible or preferable for them. They lost the vote and didn't like it but at least they had their chance to make their objections known.

So, like it or not you're always going to have disputes in a strata because it may just bey the purest form of democracy available. It's a system where everyone actually gets a voice and where the wants of the majority not the vocal minority (unlike our current gov't system) are carried out.

[Strutz]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Although the things people are complaining about in your strata appear to be nothing more than petty grievances designed to stir up trouble and/or push an agenda. There is nothing about bylaws or rules that they really affect except for taking up the council's time and effort drafting new ones to be registered if they pass which, my guess is that they never will.

Speaking of agendas... one of the other things we voted on this year was to amend an existing bylaw to ban all forms of smoking or vaping, whether it be cigs or cannabis, on not just common property (existing bylaw) but to extend it to private decks and inside your own unit. I could tell that one of the ladies on council was all gung-ho for this as it seemed to be her idea and much to her dismay it was shot down. I must say even I was slightly surprised as I guess there are more smokers and/or cannabis users, or at least people who are not offended by it, in my complex than I thought. I voted against it btw as I am a sinner

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, like it or not you're always going to have disputes in a strata because it may just bey the purest form of democracy available. It's a system where everyone actually gets a voice and where the wants of the majority not the vocal minority (unlike our current gov't system) are carried out.

I don't mind it too much and usually the silly stuff is kind of amusing. The only thing I find is a shame is not everyone shows up to vote, even if by proxy, as we did not have a quorum at this AGM and after a half hour delay voted to proceed with what we had. It always makes me wonder if results would be any different if more people were interested.

[Freakinoldguy]

Strutz Strutz:

I don't mind it too much and usually the silly stuff is kind of amusing. The only thing I find is a shame is not everyone shows up to vote, even if by proxy, as we did not have a quorum at this AGM and after a half hour delay voted to proceed with what we had. It always makes me wonder if results would be any different if more people were interested.

We had the first quorum in 7 years at our last AGM in February so it's a strata wide problem. But to be honest, if people want to leave their fate in the hands of a few unknown people rather than speaking out about issues that they feel strongly about, then it's their loss.

It's the ones who don't come to the AGM's or SGM's and thn complain about what happened that really piss me off.

[BRAH]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BRAH BRAH:

Condo boards are corrupt as politicians.

Are you accusing me and Xerxes of being corrupt or, politicians.

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