BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
It's not the temperature that matters, it's the rate of change.
Bullshit. Prior to ~2010 no one on the AGW alarmism side gave a single fuck about the 'rate' of change. And then the change wasn't happening so the goalposts moved from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and then you and your co-religionists started up this crap about how the 'rate of change' was somehow man-made and that it's a crisis if the temperature changes too quickly.
False. Carl Sagan's Doctoral Thesis was about catastrophic warming on Venus, and he reminds us of our potential future in this essay from 1980:
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The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas, and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air. Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences. In the burning of coal and oil and gasoline, we are also putting sulfuric acid into the atmosphere. Like Venus, our stratosphere even now has a substantial mist of tiny sulfuric acid droplets. Our major cities are polluted with noxious molecules. We do not understand the long- term effects of our course of action.
He was not the first, just the one I recall the fastest.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
When in fact temperatures in the past have absolutely plummeted so fast that huge animals like the mammoth have been flash frozen in the middle of eating flowering plants...something that occurs in the spring.
And that is where we get our forecast for things that may be to come. But the numbers don't lie. In the 1,000 years that we can recreate climate conditions, the rate of warming has not been this steep, even with extreme events like the Permian Mass Extinction.
Here is an analysis of the data we have so far:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=climate+recordBartSimpson BartSimpson:
Weird shit happens all the time on this planet and to claim that humans are 100% controlling it is a far more unscientific claim than to ask people like yourself to substantiate your beliefs.
I've never claimed humans are 100% controlling it. We are however responsible for the sudden rate of change, by releasing trillions of tonnes of CO2 that was sequestered from the environment in the form of fossil fuel.
But you know the question I always ask, that you never answer, right?
What does your data show, if you don't believe the data and studies presented?