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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:18 am
 


:lol:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/ivar-g ... ntist.html

Ivar Giaever Ivar Giaever:
"I am not really terribly interested in global warming. Like most physicists I don't think much about it. But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it. And I spent a day or so - half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned. And I'm going to try to explain to you why that was the case."


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:24 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
It's not the temperature that matters, it's the rate of change.


Bullshit. Prior to ~2010 no one on the AGW alarmism side gave a single fuck about the 'rate' of change. And then the change wasn't happening so the goalposts moved from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and then you and your co-religionists started up this crap about how the 'rate of change' was somehow man-made and that it's a crisis if the temperature changes too quickly.

When in fact temperatures in the past have absolutely plummeted so fast that huge animals like the mammoth have been flash frozen in the middle of eating flowering plants...something that occurs in the spring.

Weird shit happens all the time on this planet and to claim that humans are 100% controlling it is a far more unscientific claim than to ask people like yourself to substantiate your beliefs.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:36 am
 


Tricks Tricks:
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https://www.skepticalscience.com/ivar-g ... ntist.html

Ivar Giaever Ivar Giaever:
"I am not really terribly interested in global warming. Like most physicists I don't think much about it. But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it. And I spent a day or so - half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned. And I'm going to try to explain to you why that was the case."


Yes, he explained that in the posted video.

You didn't need to rush over to not-so-skeptical-science to have them cherry-pick an out of context quote for you. You could have done it yourself.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:43 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
It's not the temperature that matters, it's the rate of change.


Bullshit. Prior to ~2010 no one on the AGW alarmism side gave a single fuck about the 'rate' of change. And then the change wasn't happening so the goalposts moved from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and then you and your co-religionists started up this crap about how the 'rate of change' was somehow man-made and that it's a crisis if the temperature changes too quickly.


False. Carl Sagan's Doctoral Thesis was about catastrophic warming on Venus, and he reminds us of our potential future in this essay from 1980:

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The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas, and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air. Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences. In the burning of coal and oil and gasoline, we are also putting sulfuric acid into the atmosphere. Like Venus, our stratosphere even now has a substantial mist of tiny sulfuric acid droplets. Our major cities are polluted with noxious molecules. We do not understand the long- term effects of our course of action.


He was not the first, just the one I recall the fastest.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
When in fact temperatures in the past have absolutely plummeted so fast that huge animals like the mammoth have been flash frozen in the middle of eating flowering plants...something that occurs in the spring.


And that is where we get our forecast for things that may be to come. But the numbers don't lie. In the 1,000 years that we can recreate climate conditions, the rate of warming has not been this steep, even with extreme events like the Permian Mass Extinction.

Here is an analysis of the data we have so far:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=climate+record

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Weird shit happens all the time on this planet and to claim that humans are 100% controlling it is a far more unscientific claim than to ask people like yourself to substantiate your beliefs.


I've never claimed humans are 100% controlling it. We are however responsible for the sudden rate of change, by releasing trillions of tonnes of CO2 that was sequestered from the environment in the form of fossil fuel.

But you know the question I always ask, that you never answer, right?

What does your data show, if you don't believe the data and studies presented?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:52 am
 


On 'rate of change'...

The IPCC, which we're told is the premier scientific organization on this topic waffles back and forth on what the change has been over the last 150 years, but Doc wants us to believe we have cracker-jack, to the 10th of a degree, dead on measurements from 252 million years ago for a comparison.

Why do I want to laugh?


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
On 'rate of change'...

The IPCC, which we're told is the premier scientific organization on this topic waffles back and forth on what the change has been over the last 150 years, but Doc wants us to believe we have cracker-jack, to the 10th of a degree, dead on measurements from 252 million years ago for a comparison.

Why do I want to laugh?


Ok, my bad. I peeked. I haven't read one of your posts for almost a year, and I shouldn't have read this one let alone responded, because I will never again read another response from you because you have not changed.

Making up bullshit about things I have not written, and posting absolutely false information is why you are on my ignore list. And you didn't disappoint! Why is it that actual IPCC report graph you posted is radically different than the one you posted?

We all know why. [laughat]

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https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_ ... ter_07.pdf

Why does your version omit the dotted line indicating 1900 average starting temperature? Oh! That's because yours incorrectly says that 1900 is really 2018, so that it looks like a cooling trend!

Fail. As always, nothing you write its to be believed.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:43 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
"catastrophic warming on Venus"


There's a loaded statement which speaks to your bias in favor of alarmism.

The climate on Venus occurred naturally and to the best of anyone's knowledge there was never any sign of carbon-based life on that planet.

There's also no evidence that the planet ever had life because its atmosphere is too dense to support life.

Therefore there was no 'catastrophe' because Venus is as it was meant to be.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:49 pm
 


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Climate Change denial is the religious belief. Their insistence that we can just keep polluting indiscriminately without consequence is not fact-based and their constant attempts to shut down all research in the subject os Fiddles “shutuppery” at work.

We know where climate change denial and anti-environmentalism comes from: people who get rich polluting don’t want to lose their cash cow so finance propaganda. Most climate denier groups can be traced back to the same common sources of funding and have close ties to each other.

The opposite cant be said of climate scientists, who are politically and geographically diverse and would have no incentives to fabricate their claims, let alone spend their time and money engage in some ridiculously implausible vast world-wide conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people from all levels of society who don’t even live in the same country let alone know each other

SOROS


That’s not an answer to anything. When I walk or bike Soros gets richer or something? Besides he doesn’t find everybody around the world you silly pants. There’s just too many of them.


Besides uber Republican and climate denier financies Koch brothers have more than 10 times Soros wealth. And Republicans have dozens of billionaires

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These mega-donors may determine which Republicans get a real shot at the White House.



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:55 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
What does your data show, if you don't believe the data and studies presented?


The last great ice age started ebbing about 20,000 years ago and we are now at the end of an ice age. This is indicated by the melting off of...wait for it...ice.

As a benefit of this wonderful warming trend I can enjoy wines from the Okanagan which was once covered under as much as 3km of ice.

Thankfully all that shit melted away millennia ago so that we can enjoy the wonderful lands that were once enshrouded in icy death.

It's a natural process and it's one I appreciate.

I don't understand why you think that the end of the ice age is a bad thing.

In any case, I much prefer warming to cooling because warming means an increased hydrological process and that means decreased desertification as we've seen in the Gobi, Sahara, Sahel, Mojave, and even the Atacama which experienced record rainfall in 2015.

More land will become arable, fewer people will die of cold, and biomass will increase.

These are not problems to me.

Yay, warming. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:00 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
"catastrophic warming on Venus"


There's a loaded statement which speaks to your bias in favor of alarmism.

The climate on Venus occurred naturally and to the best of anyone's knowledge there was never any sign of carbon-based life on that planet.

There's also no evidence that the planet ever had life because its atmosphere is too dense to support life.

Therefore there was no 'catastrophe' because Venus is as it was meant to be.


There is no sign there was ever a Russian lander either, but we know it was there. Venus is a hot bitch that would kill any of us instantly.

And the same process can be triggered here, is what his warning was. All it takes is enough CO2 in the atmosphere to cause Relative Humidity to exceed the point where precipitation is likely - and it's all over.

The point being - we don't know where that point is for the Earth. Wanna take a chance?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:07 pm
 


The sun is a hot bitch, too. Are you going to claim that there is 'catastrophic warming' on the sun?


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
What does your data show, if you don't believe the data and studies presented?


The last great ice age started ebbing about 20,000 years ago and we are now at the end of an ice age. This is indicated by the melting off of...wait for it...ice.

As a benefit of this wonderful warming trend I can enjoy wines from the Okanagan which was once covered under as much as 3km of ice.

Thankfully all that shit melted away millennia ago so that we can enjoy the wonderful lands that were once enshrouded in icy death.

It's a natural process and it's one I appreciate.

I don't understand why you think that the end of the ice age is a bad thing.

In any case, I much prefer warming to cooling because warming means an increased hydrological process and that means decreased desertification as we've seen in the Gobi, Sahara, Sahel, Mojave, and even the Atacama which experienced record rainfall in 2015.

More land will become arable, fewer people will die of cold, and biomass will increase.

These are not problems to me.

Yay, warming. :wink:


Again you ignore the obvious, while not providing data. It's not about the naturally occurring ice age, it's about how fast we are adding heat to the atmosphere and how fast ecosystems can adapt.

That's exactly what happened during The Great Permian Extinction. CO2 and H2S were released faster than life could adapt, and most life died. And we are emitting C02 faster than then, now.

What it the logical outcome?


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The sun is a hot bitch, too. Are you going to claim that there is 'catastrophic warming' on the sun?


You don't like that when people do it to you; don't do it to me.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:13 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The sun is a hot bitch, too. Are you going to claim that there is 'catastrophic warming' on the sun?


You don't like that when people do it to you; don't do it to me.


I did not claim that you had said this. I asked if you would. Big difference.


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