[BeaverFever]

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As for the dickheads at the pipeline protest the fools there have been plenty aggressive themselves towards the cops, including flying a damn toy drone at a helicopter and trespassing on private property that the state and the property owners have agreed to allow the pipeliners to work on. If a few heads get cracked there then they earned it with their own behaviour.

IS it private property though? The pipeline seems to run through the unceded territory and potentially touches on the reservation proper. Also note that the original route was supposed to run through Bismarck but was rerouted due to concerns it would contaminate the water supply. It wouldn't be the first time or probably even the 1,000th time that the government and developers just 'took' native land whenever it suited them, or that contaminating water supply is ok as long as it's just those filthy Indians. I guess if the Indians had weapons the same way Bundy did, they'd get treated with little more respect.

[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I guess if the Indians had weapons the same way Bundy did, they'd get treated with little more respect.

They doubtless have weapons, this is 'Mericuh after all. But they also know that the reaction to them having weapons would be much different than with the free range farks.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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As for the dickheads at the pipeline protest the fools there have been plenty aggressive themselves towards the cops, including flying a damn toy drone at a helicopter and trespassing on private property that the state and the property owners have agreed to allow the pipeliners to work on. If a few heads get cracked there then they earned it with their own behaviour.

IS it private property though? The pipeline seems to run through the "unceded" territory...

"Unceded?"

What does that mean in a legal sense? Pretty much nothing right? It's more a "Gee, I wish that was still mine."

It doesn't even answer the question of "Are you sure it ever was?"

So yeah. It's private property.

[N_Fiddledog]

Are you ready to give Vancouver to Rocky Wilson? Because apparently he never "ceded" it.

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/land+c ... story.html

[BeaverFever]

andyt andyt:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I guess if the Indians had weapons the same way Bundy did, they'd get treated with little more respect.

They doubtless have weapons, this is 'Mericuh after all. But they also know that the reaction to them having weapons would be much different than with the free range farks.

Excellent question Andy, you can find the answer on the state of North Dakotas own website,where the caption of the above image reads:

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Map 6: Treaty of Fort Laramie 1868. This map shows that under the terms of the Treaty of Fort Laramie of 1868, the Sioux refused to cede and retained a large territory for hunting (in yellow). However, the Great Sioux Reservation (in gray) was established on the west side of the Missouri River in southern Dakota Territory and in the southwest portion of northern Dakota Territory. The “Unceded Indian Territory” to the west of the Great Sioux Reservation was a place of compromise. The Army gave up its forts (Fort Phil Kearny) and control of the Bozeman Trail. The Sioux and other tribes could hunt there. In September, 1876, the unceded lands in northern Dakota Territory became part of the Sioux Reservation with an agency at Fort Yates. The Cannonball River became the northern boundary of the reservation.

http://ndstudies.gov/gr8/content/unit-i ... eservation

[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

andyt andyt:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I guess if the Indians had weapons the same way Bundy did, they'd get treated with little more respect.

They doubtless have weapons, this is 'Mericuh after all. But they also know that the reaction to them having weapons would be much different than with the free range farks.

Excellent question Andy, you can find the answer on the state of North Dakotas own website,where the caption of the above image reads:

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Map 6: Treaty of Fort Laramie 1868. This map shows that under the terms of the Treaty of Fort Laramie of 1868, the Sioux refused to cede and retained a large territory for hunting (in yellow). However, the Great Sioux Reservation (in gray) was established on the west side of the Missouri River in southern Dakota Territory and in the southwest portion of northern Dakota Territory. The “Unceded Indian Territory” to the west of the Great Sioux Reservation was a place of compromise. The Army gave up its forts (Fort Phil Kearny) and control of the Bozeman Trail. The Sioux and other tribes could hunt there. In September, 1876, the unceded lands in northern Dakota Territory became part of the Sioux Reservation with an agency at Fort Yates. The Cannonball River became the northern boundary of the reservation.

http://ndstudies.gov/gr8/content/unit-i ... eservation

Man, the ultimate insult. You seem to have me confused with FD.

[N_Fiddledog]

No need to get upset Andy. Nobody's going to expect you to raise your standards to the point that sort of confusion could spread.

But I'll tell you what. Seeing as your fellow dimwit is having problems addressing your comment, let me help.

This one right?

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andyt wrote:

They doubtless have weapons, this is 'Mericuh after all. But they also know that the reaction to them having weapons would be much different than with the free range farks.

Which was a reply to this:

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BeaverFever wrote:

I guess if the Indians had weapons the same way Bundy did, they'd get treated with little more respect.

OK...so first of all you're right. At least one of the Standing Rock trespasser-vandals did have a weapon. Did you two heroes not see the news page here today?

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=98992

Not only did at least one of the pipeline rioters have a weapon, she used it.

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Red Fawn Fallis, 37, was charged with attempted murder, preventing arrest, carrying a concealed weapon, marijuana possession, engaging in a riot and criminal conspiracy to endanger by fire during the Thursday protest along state Highway 1806.

The criminal complaint filed by the Morton County state’s attorney said deputies were attempting to handcuff her as she lay face-down on the ground when she pulled out a .38 revolver from underneath her and began firing.

Actually the Indians did better than the cowboys this time. One of the cowboys in Oregon got shot dead.

Now as to whether or not the possible forefathers of some of the pipeline protesters claim of not "ceding" territory in days of yore affects the legality of the private property the Soros anti-oil gang and assorted native minions trespassed on - No. It does not.

[Tricks]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

IS it private property though? The pipeline seems to run through the unceded territory and potentially touches on the reservation proper.

The point in contention is considered federal land, that's part of why the USACE was consulted. It's about half a mile away from the reservation.

[Public_Domain]

[Tricks]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

They're probably be there through the winter pending a complete assault by the military police.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dakota-acce ... 1-million/

I hope it gets used right. I haven't formed an opinion yet on this one. I've been doing a lot of research and have come down on a side, but I'd hate for that money to be squandered.

[N_Fiddledog]

It seems to depend on who was describing what area when.

Heavy.com has been gathering links and info they updated on October 31

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The company’s spokeswoman told Heavy that “unwarranted violence occurred on private property under easement to Dakota Access Pipeline, resulting in injury to multiple members of our security personnel and several dogs” on September 3.

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The Associated Press quoted the sheriff as saying, “individuals crossed onto private property and accosted private security officers with wooden posts and flag poles.”

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On September 6, U.S. District Judge Boasberg had said “work will temporarily stop between North Dakota’s State Highway 1806 and 20 miles east of Lake Oahe, but will continue west of the highway because he believes the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers lacks jurisdiction on private land,” ABC News said, but he lifted that order on the 9th.

Here's some more. F3 them for the term "private land" or "private property". There's lots there.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/22/us/dakota ... e-arrests/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/24/more- ... vate-land/

http://globalnews.ca/news/3037682/stand ... ine-fight/

https://twitter.com/AP/status/791690903576600577

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tensions-mount ... d=43078902

[N_Fiddledog]

Perhaps this is what Tricks is talking about:

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The main camp of the protesters is on land owned by the Army Corps of Engineers. That agency has taken no steps to evict protesters from that camp, citing free speech reasons.

Thursday’s eviction by authorities targeted protesters on private land owned by the pipeline developer. About 200 law enforcement officers launched the operation midday Thursday. On Wednesday, the demonstrators refused to leave voluntarily from the camp.

Hall believes it won’t be as easy to move the protesters off a new camp, if it’s on federal land.

— The Associated Press

But what's being trespassed on is Private Land/Property.

[rickc]

The American media has done a horrible job covering this story. All I know is that a protest is going on and its getting bigger by the day. Almost all news is coming from the protesters themselves. With this damn election going on, there would have to be a mass casualty incident in ND to even get a blip on the mainstream media. Who is right, who is wrong? Is the land stolen? It wouldn't be the first time, or the hundredth time for that matter. The government did not help their cause by locking people up in cages resembling dog kennels, and writing serial numbers on their arms like they were in a nazi concentration camp. Shit like that stirs up people who don't have a dog in the fight, and sets them in motion.

[N_Fiddledog]

Every once in awhile a mainstream outlet slips one in on the subject that's worth reading.

I'd recommend this one with two thumbs up.

Not all the Standing Rock Sioux are protesting the pipeline

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Standing Rock Sioux Reservation, North Dakota (CNN) - Ask around and you'll hear stories of pipeline protesters who've traveled great distances.

They've come from Japan, Russia and Germany. Australia, Israel and Serbia. And, of course, there are the allies, not exclusively Native American or indigenous, who've flocked here from all corners of the US.

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Demonstrating is their proud daily work.

The Standing Rock Sioux call this reservation home, and many are not on the frontlines of this months-long, and at times violent, protest. With no end in sight, what does it mean to them? And are they even united in their support?

The answer to that last question: Not even close.

No one makes this clearer than Robert Fool Bear Sr., 54, district chairman of Cannon Ball. The town he runs, estimated population of 840, is just a few miles from the action. It's so close that, given the faceoffs with law enforcement, you have to pass through a police checkpoint to reach it.

It's about time people heard from folks like him, he says.

Robert Fool Bear Sr.
Fool Bear has had it with the protesters. He says that more than two years ago, when members of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe could have attended hearings to make their concerns known, they didn't care. Now, suddenly, the crowds are out of control, and he fears it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.

Go down to the camps, he says, and you won't see many Standing Rock Sioux.
"It irks me. People are here from all over the world," he says. "If they could come from other planets, I think they would."

The presence of all these people has become a downright nuisance to his community, he says. Given the roadblocks, residents of Cannon Ball are often forced to go more than 40 miles out of their way.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota ... ock-sioux/

I don't now how Jessica Ravitz slipped that info through the CNN censors, but good on you girl, and congratulations on letting a little uncomfortable truth out into the wild.

Where did the money and organization come from to get this pipeline protest organized and operating. I'm guessing not Indians. But they're useful to push in front of the cameras.

[BartSimpson]

One of the loser kids I know is at the protest and in typical fashion she can't articulate a coherent reason for why she's there.