[andyt]

Sorry, I didn't know these would be oil tankers. I thought they were just cargo ships as the op says. One proposal is to build a pipe from Fort McMurray to Tuktoyaktuk. I suppose you're dead set against that too.

Wonder what would happen to Canada if we start denying countries innocent passage thru our waters. Nah, no repercussion at all.

[herbie]

The NWP is inside our territory, in spite of what these fearmongers say nobody is disputing the lands on all sides of it are our territory - but some, led by the US and it's seas policy CLAIM it is an international waterway. WE'RE not the ones CLAIMING, they are.
There is no historical basis to call it international paasage. Even now, its rarely open thru. It does not divide countries and is not the only passage to any other one.
They'd just love an easy route for Alaskan oil to get to Texas refineries - that's the real threat, not Chinese blustering.
We have the right to make a "no oil tankers" policy there, insist on pilotage or fees for transit.

[Thanos]

The rule of law on your side is a nice thing to have. Without the moral and material commitment to actually doing something about this kind of trespass all the words mean essentially nothing though. That doesn't mean aiming and launching an anti-ship missile at the first Chinese cargo ship to make the attempt but it certainly should mean having at least several naval vessels capable of the task to stop & board the ship to place it's captain and crew under arrest.

Let me know when we have the means and intent to actually do something along those lines. Until then we're just going to be mouthing off at the UN about this issue, the way we do with too many other issues because we don't have the physical resources to do anything about it.

[Canadian_Mind]

I am perfectly okay with cargo ships using the NWP for ANY cargo. that said, we need to be able to respond to disasters and accidents because if they do occur, we will be the only ones affected and the only ones paying for it. With that in mind, I see nothing wrong with charging a transit fee for use of waterways between our islands.

Given that it is possible to sail all the way through without coming within 12 nautical miles of the islands, I think we should take a page out of the Chinese book and build some artificial islands.

[Vamp018]

Get a Coast Guard or get a new fleet for the RCN with Teeth and charge the transit fee. It's responsible and reasonable. Make the CCG learn how to handle Weapons!! or the CCG is ineffective on enforcement. Don't want to?? Fine Surrender it to the US and the USCG/USN/USMC will handle.

[BartSimpson]

The NWP is Canadian waters. But the right of international shipping to traverse the passage is included in a treaty in which Canada is a signatory. We've covered this before. If you don't like the terms of the treaty then withdraw from it and forego using the Bosporus, the Strait of Magellan, and you can keep your Tsawassen-to-Swartz Bay ferry out of US waters, too.

[herbie]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The NWP is Canadian waters. But the right of international shipping to traverse the passage is included in a treaty in which Canada is a signatory. We've covered this before. If you don't like the terms of the treaty then withdraw from it and forego using the Bosporus, the Strait of Magellan, and you can keep your Tsawassen-to-Swartz Bay ferry out of US waters, too.

That's your claim.
The few major undertakings since 1947 to prove it can be traversed don't make it equate to the Bosporous.

[martin14]

herbie herbie:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The NWP is Canadian waters. But the right of international shipping to traverse the passage is included in a treaty in which Canada is a signatory. We've covered this before. If you don't like the terms of the treaty then withdraw from it and forego using the Bosporus, the Strait of Magellan, and you can keep your Tsawassen-to-Swartz Bay ferry out of US waters, too.

That's your claim.
The few major undertakings since 1947 to prove it can be traversed don't make it equate to the Bosporous.

For now.

Only for now.

[andyt]

Absolutely. As global warming progresses, it will just become another waterway. Same rules will apply as any other.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Absolutely. As global warming progresses, it will just become another waterway. Same rules will apply as any other.

Or as ice breaking cargo ships become cost efficient. And if global warming actually has an effect then the NWP becomes an international waterway just like any other.

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The NWP is Canadian waters. But the right of international shipping to traverse the passage is included in a treaty in which Canada is a signatory. We've covered this before. If you don't like the terms of the treaty then withdraw from it and forego using the Bosporus, the Strait of Magellan, and you can keep your Tsawassen-to-Swartz Bay ferry out of US waters, too.

That's your claim.
The few major undertakings since 1947 to prove it can be traversed don't make it equate to the Bosporous.

It's not my claim.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-report ... ights.page

[Thanos]

Maybe that dwarf with the missing nose in Kings Landing doesn't need that big chain he strung across the entrance of the bay anymore......