[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

For those of you in coastal areas or in areas with abundant game it's time to start thinking about supplementing the household larder the old fashioned way.

All of us, everywhere, not just those with local foraging possibilities, need to work harder to find locally-sourced foods, of all types.

Like Stratos, I used to supplement by hunting. I even thought about going for a few of those free-range hogs that escape from Saskatchewan farms once in a while. Major pest, good eating. Win/Win!

Lemmy Lemmy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

As a kid, we always had a garden and relied on it through the winter. I am using a lot of what I grew and preserved this year. Wish I had my Grandfathers' recipe for chow-chow thought. Preserved green tomatoes and onions. Mmmmm!

We've become far too accustomed to the abundance of cheap, fresh produce that globalization has given us. We've forgotten how to preserve our summer harvest for the Canadian winter. This is one of many skills we need to relearn.

My father grew up during the Great Depression. Not this 'recession' crap we get now, but when people had no jobs and no income and no prospect of a job for a decade. He had all sorts of advice that helped me through the 'move out on my own and can't afford food' phase, which also occurred for me during another recession.

'Bubble and squeak'. Beef tripe soup. Liver and onions. Ox tail soup. You can't buy these bits anymore at a grocery store! Last night, I had black eye peas and cornbread for dinner (canned tomatoes, rosemary, garlic). Total cost, about $2. Not because I had to, but because it's delicious!

Not only have we forgotten how to preserve things, we've forgotten that animals consist of more than just skinless breasts and tenderloins. There are many other edible, and cheap, parts that make them up.

[Hyack]

martin14 martin14:

Why Canadians think they are entitled to fresh strawberries and fresh fruit & veg
year round is beyond me.

Simply because we put up with our neighbours to the south of us who have transformed deserts to crop producing land and so far transportation has been fairly cheap!

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Wish I had my Grandfathers' recipe for chow-chow thought. Preserved green tomatoes and onions. Mmmmm!

My Grandmother made a mean chow-chow herself, the closest I've been able to find commercially was Heinz, which I can't find any more and Thrifty Foods Compliments brand, which isn't too bad. Although it will never come close to Grandmother's home made....

[herbie]

My Scot father in law was a great cook, invited my parents to come with us for a Sunday dinner. Served a great Brit dinner including cocka-leekie soup & bubble and squeak.
Parents begged out soon after with some excuse, and we left with them.
The instant my Dad walked out of the building, he farted one that echoed down the block! We all laughed so hard we farted up a storm too. People musta thought there was a gunfight at the Royal Towers a block away....
Gran would rail us with tales of the Great Depression: "When I was your age we'd be lucky to get a raw potato for dinner... if it was our birthday we'd get salt to go with it!"

[fifeboy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

For those of you in coastal areas or in areas with abundant game it's time to start thinking about supplementing the household larder the old fashioned way.

All of us, everywhere, not just those with local foraging possibilities, need to work harder to find locally-sourced foods, of all types.

Like Stratos, I used to supplement by hunting. I even thought about going for a few of those free-range hogs that escape from Saskatchewan farms once in a while. Major pest, good eating. Win/Win!

Lemmy Lemmy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

As a kid, we always had a garden and relied on it through the winter. I am using a lot of what I grew and preserved this year. Wish I had my Grandfathers' recipe for chow-chow thought. Preserved green tomatoes and onions. Mmmmm!

We've become far too accustomed to the abundance of cheap, fresh produce that globalization has given us. We've forgotten how to preserve our summer harvest for the Canadian winter. This is one of many skills we need to relearn.

My father grew up during the Great Depression. Not this 'recession' crap we get now, but when people had no jobs and no income and no prospect of a job for a decade. He had all sorts of advice that helped me through the 'move out on my own and can't afford food' phase, which also occurred for me during another recession.

'Bubble and squeak'. Beef tripe soup. Liver and onions. Ox tail soup. You can't buy these bits anymore at a grocery store! Last night, I had black eye peas and cornbread for dinner (canned tomatoes, rosemary, garlic). Total cost, about $2. Not because I had to, but because it's delicious!

Not only have we forgotten how to preserve things, we've forgotten that animals consist of more than just skinless breasts and tenderloins. There are many other edible, and cheap, parts that make them up.

Damnation Doc. If you don't quit talking about good food I'm gonna go and overeat and it will be all your fault

[housewife]

My mother says I have depression era thinking... She didn't mean it in a good way.

I read the fliers list whats on sale at which store. If you chart the sales you will find there is a pattern and can buy enough to get to the next sale. Also making a big batch of what ever and freezing left overs in about a meal size of a single serving depending. I always figure I'm dirtying the same amount of dishes might is well make enough it worth my while.

I miss real stewing beef. Ok now I'm going to have to find a local place and get stewing beef and heart... stuffed and baked I haven't had cows tongue in years either.

We had a bumper crop of pairs again this year hubby turned it into wine and cider. Baby ate the raspberries as fast as they ripened. Not a big patch as someone took the weedeater to it I would like a bigger garden but me and my black thumb have a bit of a problem with the whole growing stuff. Maybe I will try again.

[Freakinoldguy]

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Enough said.

[DrCaleb]

housewife housewife:

I miss real stewing beef. Ok now I'm going to have to find a local place and get stewing beef and heart... stuffed and baked I haven't had cows tongue in years either.

Go to a small butcher, not a grocery store. They can get whatever you want. Mine is trained as a German sausage maker, so he carries many blissful items. (And is not Halal!) And even has smoked beef liver as dog treats.

[fifeboy]

I can't help but think we are being ripped off. In the past we have been told that one of the reasons for high produce costs was the cost of transportation, lead by the cost of fuel. Gas and diesel is now cheap so that should lower the cost a lot. There always seems to be an "excuse!"

[Lemmy]

The bigger cause of produce prices, above even the dollar's collapse, is the California drought. But yeah, FOG, Trudeau's fault, enough said.

[andyt]

When you've put all your broccoli in the California basket, this is what happens. They had a drought that reduced production, now our dollar is so low we can't afford to buy much of that production. The US removed an impediment to Canadian beef being sold in the US, so now we're competing with those rich Americans for our beef - up go the prices. Certainly prices are much higher now than when all we had to worry about was transportation costs.

In Richmond, Port Metro Vancouver is buying up farmland because of the lack of industrial land for their container and coal shipments. They're a federal corp, so I guess they are not bound by the agricultural land reserve. And so it goes. The Fraser delta has some of the most productive farmland in the world, but we've chosen to build houses on it (that will all sink in and earthquake) and now industrial land too. Because as economists have told us, it's better to let the people who can grow food most efficiently (ie Cali and Mexi) grow the food, while we concentrate on whatever we're good at. (Importing people?) And since economics is a science, we know that economists are never wrong - they can prove they are right mathematically. Unless of course reality happens to get in the way.

It's ironic. A couple of years ago, we had an economist predicting the end of global transport because of high oil prices. That it would be cheaper to produce what we need at home than import it from halfway around the world. Instead, we can't afford that global crap anymore because of low oil prices and we chose to put all our broccoli in the exporting oil basket instead of diversifying. Because of course the market is the only thing that should drive investment decisions, the market is always right. Never mind that the market is all about the quick buck now, not what's best in the long run. And so we have almost all our refineries in the US, and we're buying our refined oil back in American dollars.

[Lemmy]

Nice troll, andy. Economists do none of that. But rail on.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

But yeah, FOG, Trudeau's fault, enough said.

Of course it is. Just like the 2008 collapse was all Obama's fault. They're the ones in power, right, they should be able to fix it. I mean look at how well things went under Harper. The only G7 country not to have a recession, high oil prices, no wailing of Thanos and gnashing of teeth. We were doing way better than that Muslim socialist down south. As soon as Dear Harper loses the election, what happens? Catastrophe, that's what. That should teach those proggy lefties (or is it lefty proggies?) a thing or two. But of course they never learn.

[ShepherdsDog]

Growing up, we always had a huge garden, except when we were living on the Island. We had our own animals that were kept on the family farm. My mom, dad and grandmother also did a lot of berry picking(chokecherry, cranberry, currants, raspberries, strawberries) for jams and jellies.

We had crabapples, regular apples and plums for preserving and homemade pickles and relishes were all we ever had unless we went out to a restaurant. My mom and dad even made their own salsa and antipasto. Our basement cool room was a larder, with potatoes, carrots, turnips, onion, garlic piled high.

Communal gardens are going to become even more common and utilized in the urban areas as food prices increase. When we were in Taiwan i was amazed at what people were producing in their roof top gardens, utilizing just Styrofoam coolers for planters.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Nice troll, andy. Economists do none of what you're accusing us of. But rail on.

All the time we are told that your science has the handle on truth. You tell me not to look behind the curtain, that if a few economists disagree with whatever your position is, it doesn't mean anything, you have the mathematical truth. And then time and time again, economists can't predict what happens next, are way off. Yo yourself, maybe even in this thread, admitted that you are questioning the idea (don't know the technical term for it) that allowing countries to specialize in what they are good at is the way to go. Yet I'm sure up til this point you would have argued tooth and nail that it was the only logical position to take, that you have the proof that it's the best answer. And it is - until it isn't.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

That should teach those proggy lefties (or is it lefty proggies?) a thing or two.

I think it's "leftie proggie recessive" this week.