[ccga3359]

People should eat more rutabagas.

[Robair]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Inbreeding amongst 1.6 billion people?

To be fair, the muslims he was interviewing/studying were in prison.

That's a very small, specific sample out of the 1.6 billion...

[andyt]

Robair Robair:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Inbreeding amongst 1.6 billion people?

To be fair, the muslims he was interviewing/studying were in prison.

That's a very small, specific sample out of the 1.6 billion...

And this is supposed to be a representative sample for all Muslims?

[Robair]

andyt andyt:

Robair Robair:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Inbreeding amongst 1.6 billion people?

To be fair, the muslims he was interviewing/studying were in prison.

That's a very small, specific sample out of the 1.6 billion...

And this is supposed to be a representative sample for all Muslims?

Obviously not.

Which was the point of my post.

You wired differently or something?

[andyt]

So who are you being fair to? The headline seems to suggest this applies to all Muslims. If the guy is being an idiot by trying to generalize from this sample to all Muslims, you wouldn't usually say "to be fair" about something so stupid.

[Robair]

From the article:

$1:

Inbreeding among Muslims are extremely widespread. Around 70 percent of Pakistanis, 45 percent of Arabs and 25-30 percent of Turks are children of blood-related parents, usually first-cousin marriages.

Fifeboy extrapolated that to 1.6 billion.

I was responding to Fifeboy.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

So who are you being fair to? The headline seems to suggest this applies to all Muslims. If the guy is being an idiot by trying to generalize from this sample to all Muslims, you wouldn't usually say "to be fair" about something so stupid.

The charge of inbreeding is accurate. The Koran prohibits a number of types of marriage but it is silent on first-cousin marriages so they're popular by default.

It's also a construct of Islam/Sharia that first cousins end up courting because Sharia demands that females have to be escorted by male relatives so the only women a man can arguably 'date' is a first cousin.

Now some places, like Pakistan, also have a tradition of arranged marriage that skirts the first cousin thing but it's not necessarily an improvement as the problem that happens is that young women (typically 14-18) find themselves married to a virtual stranger and their wedding nights frequently result in a sexual assault.

[N_Fiddledog]

Cousin Marriage according to Wikipedia

$1:

The Middle east

The Middle East has uniquely high rates of cousin marriage among the world's regions. Certain Middle Eastern countries, including Saudi Arabia, have rates of marriage to first or second cousins that may exceed 70%.[2] Iraq was estimated in one study to have a rate of 33%,[112] and figures for Afghanistan have been estimated in the range of 30–40%.[2]

All Arab countries in the Persian Gulf currently require advance genetic screening for all prospective married couples. Qatar was the last Persian Gulf nation to institute mandatory screening in 2009, mainly to warn related couples who are planning marriage about any genetic risks they may face. The current rate of cousin marriage there is 54%, an increase of 12–18% over the previous generation.[113] A report by the Dubai-based Centre for Arab Genomic Studies (CAGS) in September 2009 found that Arabs have one of the world's highest rates of genetic disorders, nearly two-thirds of which are linked to consanguinity. Research from CAGS and others suggests consanguinity is declining in Lebanon and Egypt and among Palestinians, but is increasing in Morocco, Mauritania and Sudan.[14]

Dr. Ahmad Teebi, a genetics and pediatrics professor at Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar, links the increase in cousin marriage in Qatar and other Arab States of the Persian Gulf to tribal tradition and the region’s expanding economies. "Rich families tend to marry rich families, and from their own – and the rich like to protect their wealth," he said. "So it’s partly economic, and it’s also partly cultural." In regard to the higher rates of genetic disease in these societies, he says: "It's certainly a problem," but also that "The issue here is not the cousin marriage, the issue here is to avoid the disease."[14]

Pakistan

In Pakistan, cousin marriage is legal and common. People appreciate to their families to make cousin marriages

Africa

Cousin marriage rates from most African nations outside the Middle East are unknown. It is however estimated that 35–50% of all sub-Saharan African populations either prefer or accept cousin marriages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

There's more there concerning Consanguinity and religion, or comparative to the West.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Robair Robair:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Inbreeding amongst 1.6 billion people?

To be fair, the muslims he was interviewing/studying were in prison.

That's a very small, specific sample out of the 1.6 billion...

And this is supposed to be a representative sample for all Muslims?

No, the average criminal is smarter than the average person.

[N_Fiddledog]

There's a bunch of these "Cousin Marriage" maps available with an image search.

This one comes from the Muslim Times.



You can read about it here.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/01/s ... n-marriage

[Robair]

Yucky.

[fifeboy]

Robair Robair:

From the article:

$1:

Inbreeding among Muslims are extremely widespread. Around 70 percent of Pakistanis, 45 percent of Arabs and 25-30 percent of Turks are children of blood-related parents, usually first-cousin marriages.

Fifeboy extrapolated that to 1.6 billion.

I was responding to Fifeboy.

I believe "inbreeding " is quite common in rural populations around the world. My wife's family (mother's side) has a number of 1st and 2nd cousin marriages. When people move to urban areas they are exposed to potential partners of no relation.
I also remember a paper I read, probably 20 years ago, which proposed that in pre industrial societies, inbreeding was a positive thing. Recessive characteristics for negative traits that became homozygous were quickly eliminated as no medical intervention was available. Recessive characteristics for positive traits quickly became homozygous as the superior traits moved through the population, I have no reference for this.

[Delwin]

I know it was quite common in many of the southern US states, specifically when the country was founded in rural areas, there is a lot of documented evidence of the blue people of Kentucky whos genepool was so shallow, there skin turned blue because of a genetic disorder that was recessive but became prevelant because of the closeness of the lines:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/blue-skinn ... d=15759819

https://kentuckybluepeople.wordpress.co ... tine-voll/