[Jabberwalker]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I was referring to the D-Day landing and the big push into Normandy. Several of the vets on on the CBC documentary commemorating D-Day, mentioned killing the Germans because they didn't have time to deal with them.

So was I. The 12th SS that shot those Canadians in the backs in Normandy were the Hitler Youth division. Those Germans were mostly teenagers, very early twenties and they were all monsters. ... sort of reminds me of ISIS types.

http://www.waramps.ca/military/wwii/tnop.html

http://www.booksincanada.com/article_view.asp?id=32

"The pivotal and terrifying battle for Normandy's beaches lay only hours ahead. Experienced soldiers, what few the 25th SS Panzergrenadier Regiment had, understood what was coming. They also knew how much would depend upon the fresh-faced teenagers assembling around them. They were the cream of German youth, but they were babies. In the 1st Battalion, for example, 65 percent were under 18 years old. Only 3 percent were over 25, and almost all of these older soldiers were officers and noncoms. "
http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii- ... rmandy.htm

[N_Fiddledog]

[Freakinoldguy]

Allow me to be the first to call bullshit on the recanting of his crimes especially if it's even remotely based on the US tortured me excuse. Of course questioning him in an aggressive manner probably qualifies as extreme torture to the Omar Khadr left wing bleeding heart fan club.

$1:

Omar Khadr threw a grenade with the intent of killing as many Americans as he could and told interrogators he felt happy that he had killed a U.S. soldier, according to a statement of facts agreed to by Khadr himself

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/khadr-thre ... s-1.871947

But here's the question. Why are we footing the bill for this asshole's extra curricular judicial activities? We didn't capture him, we didn't try him, he didn't kill Canadians and we didn't convict him. So, to be fair if little Omar wants to appeal his conviction he should go back to the United States of Obama and try there.

But, the real bad news here is that given past history, the granting of parole after a murder conviction is normally reserved for people the judicial system thinks were wrongly convicted and they are preparing to release.

None of which applies to that murdering scum bag Omar Khadr but, anyway.

So, be prepared to see him walking among us as a free murdering terrorist with a large chunk of taxpayers change while our fucked up judicial system prevents the widow of Sgt. Christopher Speer from winning her lawsuit against the little prick and depriving him of our hard earned money.

[2Cdo]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Allow me to be the first to call bullshit on the recanting of his crimes especially if it's even remotely based on the US tortured me excuse. Of course questioning him in an aggressive manner probably qualifies as extreme torture to the Omar Khadr left wing bleeding heart fan club.

$1:

Omar Khadr threw a grenade with the intent of killing as many Americans as he could and told interrogators he felt happy that he had killed a U.S. soldier, according to a statement of facts agreed to by Khadr himself

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/khadr-thre ... s-1.871947

But here's the question. Why are we footing the bill for this asshole's extra curricular judicial activities? We didn't capture him, we didn't try him, he didn't kill Canadians and we didn't convict him. So, to be fair if little Omar wants to appeal his conviction he should go back to the United States of Obama and try there.

But, the real bad news here is that given past history, the granting of parole after a murder conviction is normally reserved for people the judicial system thinks were wrongly convicted and they are preparing to release.

None of which applies to that murdering scum bag Omar Khadr but, anyway.

So, be prepared to see him walking among us as a free murdering terrorist with a large chunk of taxpayers change while our fucked up judicial system prevents the widow of Sgt. Christopher Speer from winning her lawsuit against the little prick and depriving him of our hard earned money.

Well said.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Sorry Zip don't agree one bit. We executed "kids" this young back in WW2 without a second thought. Once the shooting starts you're responsible for whatever happens to you, regardless of age.

I don't agree, you're right. I think it's a good thing if we don't summarily execute kids. Doesn't it bother you guys at all that he was 15 when it happened, 14 when he was taken to Afghanistan and probably 1 when his dad got all jihadi on him. What choice did he have really? None. then he was ventilated by munitions, almost died, and then tortured. At 15.

His dad deserved to die, his mother deserved to die, his brother deserved to die. But he was a kid. And that's what bothers me.

[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Sorry Zip don't agree one bit. We executed "kids" this young back in WW2 without a second thought. Once the shooting starts you're responsible for whatever happens to you, regardless of age.

I don't agree, you're right. I think it's a good thing if we don't summarily execute kids. Doesn't it bother you guys at all that he was 15 when it happened, 14 when he was taken to Afghanistan and probably 1 when his dad got all jihadi on him. What choice did he have really? None. then he was ventilated by munitions, almost died, and then tortured. At 15.

His dad deserved to die, his mother deserved to die, his brother deserved to die. But he was a kid. And that's what bothers me.

Not in the least. Unfortunately you're imposing your own western values on him and his religion rather than seeing it from his father, family and Islam's point of view which, gives his choices and actions a whole different perspective.

$1:

When children reach puberty, they become responsible for all aspects of Islam, including worship, fasting, modest dress, and other duties. However, children don't just wake up one day as adults. The exact age of puberty may vary, based on physical and mental development, but is generally reached by the age of fifteen. After this time, children enter the age of legal obligation and are considered adults under Islamic law. Children learn the responsibilities that come with adulthood through a gradual process.

http://www.netplaces.com/understanding- ... -adult.htm

I'm sorry but, dear old Omar and his apologists can't have it both ways. They can't claim that he just a child while defending his families right to raise him under traditional Islamic customs which considered him an adult.

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Doesn't it bother you guys at all that he was 15 when it happened, 14 when he was taken to Afghanistan and probably 1 when his dad got all jihadi on him. What choice did he have really? None. then he was ventilated by munitions, almost died, and then tortured. At 15.

No.

I remember what I was doing at 15, and if it was right or wrong.


Would you have the same queasy feeling if he was 17 when it happened ?

And why are you so stuck on what is an arbitrary number, when from his point of view
he was already an adult, doing adult activities ?


He had no choice.
Except to run away and hide, and not fight the Americans who came.
He chose to fight, and killed a real soldier.

The only mistake was letting him live.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I'm sorry but, dear old Omar and his apologists can't have it both ways. They can't claim that he just a child while defending his families right to raise him under traditional Islamic customs which considered him an adult.

So when the Bountiful folks marry girls as young as 12, we should do nothing because their culture says it's OK? You're suggesting we adopt traditional Islamic customs as ours?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

And it's looking like andy is having another one of his "comprehension challenged" days.

[2Cdo]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

And it's looking like andy is having another one of his "comprehension challenged" days.

Otherwise known as everyday.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

And it's looking like andy is having another one of his "comprehension challenged" days.

Otherwise known as everyday.

Good point

[andyt]

Not at all. The argument is because supposedly his culture sees him as an adult, we should too. So we're going to go by what people's culture of origin dictates, instead of what our laws and culture say? Basket of worms, that. In fact pretty well every one here complains when "they" try to practice their culture here when it conflicts with ours. You've just turned off your reasoning module because you want to agree with the argument in this case.

At least others here are honest enough to state they are OK with us being child killers because it's war.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I'm sorry but, dear old Omar and his apologists can't have it both ways. They can't claim that he just a child while defending his families right to raise him under traditional Islamic customs which considered him an adult.

So when the Bountiful folks marry girls as young as 12, we should do nothing because their culture says it's OK? You're suggesting we adopt traditional Islamic customs as ours?

Did I say that? I said his apologist can't have it both ways. If they want to defend his right to be raised in Islam and accept all that it entails because of multiculturalism, they shouldn't be surprised when he's treated as an adult by everyone but bleeding heart westerners.

Maybe these defenders of the downtrodden would be better off if they stopped trying use western values in defense of the indefensible and instead focus on the insanity that unbridled multiculturalism entails because, most of the people they're defending have clearly shown that they couldn't give a shit about any of those values unless of course they can benefit from them.

As for Bountiful your comparing apples and oranges. Nobody is defending Blackmore because of his age but, I'm pretty sure that if he was 15 and marrying numerous 8 year olds there'd be the usual culprits finding a reason to show how he was only a child by western standards while discounting the fact that he was considered an adult by his own culture.

So let me simplify my stance. We should stop all religious and cultural practices that don't coincide or conflict with the western ones but, if we're not going all in and are still allowing some of them to continue we can't suddenly decide that we can impose our values just to excuse theirs.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I said his apologist can't have it both ways. If they want to defend his right to be raised in Islam and accept all that it entails because of multiculturalism, they shouldn't be surprised when he's treated as an adult by everyone but bleeding heart westerners.

Maybe these defenders of the downtrodden would be better off if they stopped trying use western values in defense of the indefensible and instead focus on the insanity that unbridled multiculturalism entails because, most of the people they're defending have clearly shown that they couldn't give a shit about any of those values unless of course they can benefit from them.

As for Bountiful your comparing apples and oranges. Nobody is defending Blackmore because of his age but, I'm pretty sure that if he was 15 and marrying numerous 8 year olds there'd be the usual culprits finding a reason to show how he was only a child by western standards while discounting the fact that he was considered an adult by his own culture.

You're all over the place here. He doesn't have a right to be raised in Islam? What's up with that? What exactly is all that entails? Most Muslims in Canada, raised in Islam are peaceful and productive citizens. I haven't read or heard anybody defend the right of his parents to raise him as a jihadi. How about you guys provide a quote or something, to back up your fulminating about these supposed apologists. Is zippy an apologist because he doesn't agree with treating a child soldier the way Khadar was/is being treated? Who exactly is defending multiculturalism to include jihad?

I'll just ignore your Bountiful rambling. Just you having fun with a straw man. Not too many people defending marrying 12 year olds because that group says they are marriageable. By your argument with Khadar tho, because they deem these girls to be women we should treat them as such. Let them get married, but also prosecuted them as adults if they break the law.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So let me simplify my stance. We should stop all religious and cultural practices that don't coincide or conflict with the western ones but, if we're not going all in and are still allowing some of them to continue we can't suddenly decide that we can impose our values just to excuse theirs.

Coincide or conflict, which is it? I assume you mean that do conflict with western religious and cultural practices? What western religious practices would we take as the norm here? Is Judaism in? Then why not Islam, another Abrahamic faith? So we're going to go back to being a religious state, defy the constitution and favor certain religions over others? As for what cultural practices conflict with western ones, that's a huge list. Some people leave hats on inside, others take them off, and so on. You're suggesting we go all in, and allow no behaviors than we're used to to continue? Just ban being a Sikh say?

Your last sentence here doesn't make much sense. What are we allowing to continue exactly? What behaviors do we allow that break our laws? OUr laws say a 15 year old is a child soldier, you seem to be advocating we break our own laws.


Anyway, Khadr took up arms against our allies, could have just as easily killed a Canadian soldier. He should have been tried here, under our laws. But then there's that pesky child-soldier designation, so he probably would have got off in Canada, received counselling instead.

And finally, he's getting out soon, one way or another. His lawyer says he can stay with him, Edmonton uni has offered him a scholarship. We'll find out how all that works out soon. My guess is that as long as he stays away from his family, he could be OK.

[N_Fiddledog]

Ezra thinks Omar is being groomed for a career as a propagandist under the wing of his lawyer Dennis Edney.