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herbie herbie:

OMG he's gonna force us to build that pipeline East and use our oil ourselves? What bext, make us turn those Burnaby refineries back on and make our own gas?

been saying we need to do this forever already...

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Buffet must'a given O'Bummer one hell of a b-jobski.

[BRAH]

martin14 martin14:

Thanos Thanos:

I'm more concerned

About the 8 billion dollar project with thousands of jobs lost, all because Obongo

wants to be seen as a 'green' president ?


Seems like a pretty high price to pay, especially for Alberta people.



http://business.financialpost.com/2015/ ... =11ad-aeff

$1:

I think you should take this personally … Canada is being singled out

Yet the move is another slap in the face to Canada, which has championed the pipeline for years and did everything by the book to get it approved, only to be led down the garden path, through a maze of roadblocks and traps, by its supposed best friend and ally.

“I think you should take this personally,” said Matt Koch, vice-president at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Institute for 21st Century Energy.

“We have had a long relationship with your country as far as trade, been key allies for decades or centuries, and we have tried to highlight the importance of the relationship at the U.S. Chamber. Some of it has been caught up in U.S. politics. But we think that Canada is being singled out.”

To not see it that way is to miss the obvious: that relations with Canada are less important to the President than securing his climate-change legacy, no matter how hollow, misguided, or fact-challenged, as defined by the green lobby.

Indeed, environmental organizations have not pulled punches toward our country — and no other oil supplier to the U.S. — throughout their campaigns to put Keystone XL through unprecedented scrutiny.

“This veto is conclusive proof that activism works,” 350.org executive director May Boeve said in a statement Tuesday. “After four years of rallies, marches, sit-ins, and civil disobedience, we’re thrilled to see President Obama take an important first step by vetoing this love letter to Big Oil. As the President himself has argued, Keystone XL would worsen climate change, threaten the safety of farmers and landowners in America’s heartland, and create essentially no long-term jobs — all so a Canadian oil company gets to ship dirty tar sands to the rest of the world.”

Kimble Ainslie, president of Nordex Research, a long-time analyst of Canada/U.S. relations, said the veto underscores the damaged relations between Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Obama administration.

“There is no personal feeling between these guys,” Mr. Ainslie said. “Indeed, as far as I can see, Harper has written him off on this file. And Obama could not care less about Canadian interests on KXL. Not when his legacy issue, climate change, is at stake. It is complicated and it is a mess. The next best opportunity is likely 2017, post-Obama.”

Thanks a lot, Obama.

[Thanos]

martin14 martin14:

Thanos Thanos:

I'm more concerned

About the 8 billion dollar project with thousands of jobs lost, all because Obongo

wants to be seen as a 'green' president ?


Seems like a pretty high price to pay, especially for Alberta people.



http://business.financialpost.com/2015/ ... =11ad-aeff

I'm not happy with any of it but the lack of patriotism that the Canadian government, and Canadians in general, have in business matters is fairly appalling. That's the point that I was trying to make in that with Keystone bogged down Gateway and Energy East would have more than made up for the bottleneck and lost construction jobs if they went through. Canadians have decided otherwise though, that they're more than willing to hurt each other even when stupid politics on the other side of the border are already against us. Keep in mind too that there's never been a US president in existence who ever gave a rat's ass about Canadian jobs. Reagan/Bush I/Clinton sure didn't when they ramrodded Mulroney and Chretien into the free trade deals, and Bush II certainly didn't when the softwood lumber ban and the mad cow debacle clobbered Canadian workers and businesses. The mad cow one was absolutely hilarious for the way it was handled where the American feedlot corporations that operate in Canada actually made money off of Canadian-paid subsidies while Albertan ranchers were nearly going out of business when the beef price collapses.

So Keystone is what it is. Yes, Obama fucked us, but he didn't fuck us any worse than any other US president has ever fucked us, no matter what the right-wing political spin of the moment is saying (and, once again, remember that mad-cow and softwood happened under a right-wing president that supposedly loves Canada according to the myths of the moment). To tell the truth if I'm going to get mad about something it'll be that around 15% of the oil at Canadian refineries today isn't coming from the oil sands or conventional Canadian drilling. It's shale oil coming from the Bakken in the US. So at the same time Canadian oil & gas workers are getting laid off we're allowing oil from a foreign country to enter our country from the south side of the border, oil that we could easily shut off and replace with supply from Alberta or Saskatchewan. This is the stuff that should piss Canadians off as much as seeing a tanker filled with Saudi oil pull up to a pier in Halifax or Montreal.

But it doesn't piss anyone off. As with Gateway and Energy East, importing foreign oil into Canada is met with a shrug by pretty much everyone, from the government to the oil companies bringing it in to the eco-protestors who don't give a shit about anything that doesn't provide them with a photo-op. Patriotism in business in Canada? That dodo's been dead for a hell of a long time.

[andyt]

Canadian business has always sold out for the quickest, lowest buck. I know it from the forest industry, but at least that was dominated by local companies.

The whole oil industry is based on it - just send the dilbit down south unrefined - easy peasy to make a quick buck and get subsidies from the govt too. And our oil industry is owned by outside companies, including those in the US. At least Trudeau tried to nationalize our oil industry to make sure the profits stay in this country. The reason an oil pipeline to the east didn't get built long ago, when opposition to pipeline was virtually nonexistent, even tho it's such an obvious move, is because the oil industry wasn't interested. After all, we are a free market economy and have to let those foreigners buy up our resources and do what they want with them.

Hilarious to see Albertans complaining now, when they fully supported the buyout of our resources by foreigners, screamed like stuck pigs when Trudeau tried to do something about it, and were happy as pigs in shit as long as the quick money was flowing in. Now that it's now, blame all Canadians, rather than themselves.

Keystone is just another example of this. "hey, I've got an idea! Let's ship raw bitumen at a discounted price way down south to refineries there, then we can buy back the finished product at markup up here. Who cares if this is the best for Canada, we, the oil industry can make a quick buck, and screw everybody else." We're a small economy in a big boys' game. We should have take our cue from Norway long ago, but instead we go forelock tugging to the foreign owners. The age old hewers of wood, drawers of water. Probably star selling our water cheap next.

[BRAH]

Would you rather ship is this way?

[DrCaleb]

[Gunnair]

So...we had an entitlement to the project?

[Delwin]

Obama spoke about ending US dependency on foreign oil and the need to combat climage change since he took office. He was elected on that platform. He has a mandate from the people and the veto is completely justified.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgih8j ... n-oil_news

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

Obama spoke about ending US dependency on foreign oil and the need to combat climage change since he took office. He was elected on that platform. He has a mandate from the people and the veto is completely justified.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgih8j ... n-oil_news

But he failed at everything he promised in that one.

Also notice he was talking about conflict oil there from Venezuela and the Middle East?

He clarified that in another promise where he was targeting those regions as the specific threat. He swore to get America off the need for oil from those specific conflict-oil suppliers.

That's what Keystone does. It takes America off the need for conflict-oil and replaces those suppliers with suppliers of oil from the friendly nation of Canada and it's own oil production regions such as the Bakken oil field in North Dakota.

You can watch a clip of the light bringer promising to get America off Middle Eastern and Venezuelan conflict-oil in this one below.

[martin14]

Delwin Delwin:

foreign oil

Funny how nothing has been done about Venezuela and Saudi, but we are the 'foreigners'.

[Freakinoldguy]

This has less to do with Canada and more to do with the dysfunctional American political system. If the Republicans weren't supporting this pipeline I'm sure it would have gone through in some way shape or form with modification but, since it's about partisan politics they're gonna use it as a political football to score points and this is how they'll be seen in the eyes of their party faithful:

Obama = Green President = anti business except for Warren Buffet.

Republican Congress = anti environment = Pro Business except for Warren Buffet



So I'm not perturbed about it because despite Obama's objections it's gonna get built at some point and Buffet will be out a crapload of money from his oil by trains scheme.

[stratos]

So is it safe to say that for the next 10yrs + we can blame all oil and gas spills via train accidents on Obama? If not then why is it fine for the left to blame all things on Bush. We even had people on here blaming Bush for the high prices of gas.

They conveniently forgot that Bush warned congress about the rise of prices and said one way to reduce the burden was to drill in Alaska. The Democrat majority Congress did the exact opposite and put a 50yr ban on any drilling in the areas Bush wanted drilling done.

So from now on lets all remember to use the left-logic in that any train accident resulting in gas and oil spill must be the fault of Obama.

[andyt]

stratos stratos:

So is it safe to say that for the next 10yrs + we can blame all oil and gas spills via train accidents on Obama?.

Well, certainly not this one:

[martin14]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/26 ... or-to-u-s/

$1:

In past disagreements, Gotlieb said there was hostility against the neighbour’s policies. As an example, he said Trudeau’s National Energy Program infuriated the U.S. administration. In his time there were also disputes about cross-border TV ads, softwood lumber and, until there was a deal, acid rain.

But in those days, he said, American presidents paid special attention to Canada-U.S. issues. Ronald Reagan even campaigned on the idea of a North American Accord in 1980.

Obama, meanwhile, hasn’t made a bilateral visit to Canada since his first month in office. Gotlieb lays much of the blame on the president, not the prime minister.

“The Keystone project has been handled with considerable insensitivity. Our history has been characterized by … a sensitivity to each other’s interests,” he said.

“And I think some of that is intrinsic in the style of Obama.