[andyt]

I believe they tried that in Canada. I think they lost, but quite frankly bet they just do it anyway.

What if these Muslims refuse service to a young woman based on their beliefs that unrelated men and women should not be together, and she is attacked walking home.

[BartSimpson]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DD, if the taxi drivers are refusing to do the work their company wants them to do then they should find other work or start their own company.

A halal taxi company would likely do well and if they post all of their advertising in Arabic then that would effectively exclude most non-Muslims from riding in their cabs.

But, again, I side with these taxi drivers in that they should not be forced to perform work that they find religiously objectionable. The notion of forcing anyone to perform any sort of work against their will (regardless if I agree with their motivations) disturbs me far more than the notion of someone not getting a ride in a taxi.

Hmmmmm, I wonder if you'd feel the same way if they were refusing service to blind people with guide dogs.

Initially, I objected to it when the Somali taxi drivers did exactly that in Minneapolis. Upon reflection, I'd rather they be free to refuse a fare than to be forced to do something objectionable.

Forcing people to perform services is far more objectionable to me than someone not being able to demand service from anyone they like.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

I believe they tried that in Canada. I think they lost, but quite frankly bet they just do it anyway.

What if these Muslims refuse service to a young woman based on their beliefs that unrelated men and women should not be together, and she is attacked walking home.

A taxi driver has no more responsibility to protect someone than does a police officer.

Therefore you can't hold the taxi driver responsible for the criminal acts of a third party anymore than the police are liable for the same thing.

[andyt]

Yep, I'm sure that's what people will say when it happens. We had an outcry here because cabbies won't take people from downtown to North Van, specifically some young women. That's to do with our stupid taxi system, but you bet there was an outcry. Do that where a young woman is attacked that cabbie will suffer a media lynching.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Yep, I'm sure that's what people will say when it happens. We had an outcry here because cabbies won't take people from downtown to North Van, specifically some young women. That's to do with our stupid taxi system, but you bet there was an outcry. Do that where a young woman is attacked that cabbie will suffer a media lynching.

The media can say whatever they want. But where your police have no obligation before Canadian law to protect you then it's irrational to expect that taxi drivers do.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DD, if the taxi drivers are refusing to do the work their company wants them to do then they should find other work or start their own company.

A halal taxi company would likely do well and if they post all of their advertising in Arabic then that would effectively exclude most non-Muslims from riding in their cabs.

But, again, I side with these taxi drivers in that they should not be forced to perform work that they find religiously objectionable. The notion of forcing anyone to perform any sort of work against their will (regardless if I agree with their motivations) disturbs me far more than the notion of someone not getting a ride in a taxi.

Hmmmmm, I wonder if you'd feel the same way if they were refusing service to blind people with guide dogs.

Initially, I objected to it when the Somali taxi drivers did exactly that in Minneapolis. Upon reflection, I'd rather they be free to refuse a fare than to be forced to do something objectionable.

I dunno, I'd rather they be MADE to understand that their stupid religious beliefs don't trump human rights nor the laws of the country they live in. And by the by, that goes for ANY religion.

To be honest, I find this all absolutely hilarious. Back when I was driving cab in Windsor we had several Muslim cabbies. These guys whined to the City licensing office about prohibiting driver requests from customers because the poor Muslim cabbies weren't getting much business. I mean Jesus, they complain about who they have to pick up and then they complain about not getting to pick up anyone.

[andyt]

I'm confused. The cabbies in Cleveland also drive cabs in Windsor? Oh wait, you meant they as in Muslims, right? I bet is says something about it in the Koran.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

I'm confused. The cabbies in Cleveland also drive cabs in Windsor?

Yeah andy, that's exactly what I said You seem to be confused a LOT, lately.

andyt andyt:

Oh wait, you meant they as in Muslims, right?

No, I meant "they" as in Martians, duh.

andyt andyt:

I bet is says something about it in the Koran.

I don't give a fuck if it's tattooed under their eyelids!
If your religious sensibilities are such that you can't be around certain people (or guide dogs), maybe you should find a career that doesn't involve you dealing directly with the great, unwashed masses.

[andyt]

I agree with your last sentence. That has nothing to do with the cabbies in Windsor. You just make it so because they are both Muslims. In fact it would be interesting to learn if only the Muslims in Windsor objected to fares specifying drivers, or if all sorts of drivers did, but your bias made you see only the Muslims. You really just lump em all together, just like you must be a homophobe because other Christians are, right? And Bush invoked God when attacking Iraq, so all Christians supported that idiocy, right?

[N_Fiddledog]

It's not necessarily the Koran where they claim religious command, for say not picking up gays, alcohol, or dogs.

What's that text that deals more with Mohammed's biography? That's where the problem with dogs thing comes from, I think, but what I do know is yeah, the claimed connection is Islamocentric. You can find different opinions on it, but basically the story is Mohammed didn't like dogs.

There's one that was happening in the UK that became an interesting argument. There was a rash of taxi rapes. It was well known at street level what group was responsible for 99% of the incidents. It was one of those things the media wasn't allowed to talk about though. Then this anchor woman from the BBC called a cab for her daughter. She requested a non-Muslim driver. The cab company went "Wahhhhhh! The anchor woman got fired, and the media had to let the cat out of the bag about all the taxi rapes to tell the story about the firing. Turned out there was a sudden influx of hundreds of taxi rapes that year, and the street level gossip was right about who was doing it.

So the argument became is there a religious connection. Of course not, right? We're so advanced, we know better, right? But riff an raff at street level had been hearing all that "take what your right hand possesses" crap from the Koranic people, and they also heard these stories about how the street imams were telling their followers the kaffir women were just meat, and such. But riff and raff are just bigots, right?

[desertdude]

OH you mean the black cab serial rapist, oh those damn Christians !

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -case.html

[N_Fiddledog]

Not exactly. I think Worboys was active back in the earlier to mid 2000s, wasn't he? No I am not saying Muslims invented the idea of taxi rapes. What I'm talking about is more current, and not a single psychopath.

I believe the epidemic began here. (Notice at the end it was a broad enough problem that the judge issued a general warning).

$1:

The case has highlighted a growing problem in our cities, where a burgeoning nightclub culture and lack of public transport has led to a boom in the use of minicabs.

These are separate from licensed black cabs and are supposed to be booked in advance over the telephone or in person at a central office.

There are around 100,000 private hire drivers in the UK. Powers to license them have been on the statute book since 1998 but the law's enforcement depends heavily on the policy of the local authority.

In London, men and women desperate to get home have resorted to hailing unlicensed "taxi touts" who ply for trade by driving through the city's entertainment areas.

Police figures show that 214 women were sexually assaulted in the capital last year after getting into illegal minicabs and 54 raped.

Razaq Assadullah, 31, who worked for Speedline Cars in Stratford, East London, was an asylum seeker who came to Britain from Afghanistan in 2000.

He was convicted last December

of raping the 28-year-old secretary and was sentenced at the Old Bailey yesterday.

In a reference to the rapist's background, the judge told him: "You were certainly aware of the gravity of the crime of rape as it would be met by a sentence of death by stoning."

The woman got into the cab after a night out in a wine bar in Stratford last July.

After dropping off her best friend, Assadullah parked the car and turned off the engine before attacking the woman in the back seat. He stopped only when disturbed by two cyclists.

The Old Bailey heard that Assadullah, from Plaistow, East London, set himself up as a cab driver by buying a false driving licence for £200 and using a false name. Police checks revealed he was driving without insurance.

Further inquiries into the rapist's firm revealed that each of its 32 drivers was working illegally in some way - either through their immigration status or by claiming benefit while working.

The judge told Assadullah: "With a mixture of arrogance and cynical opportunism you abused your position of trust.

"She was placed in your cab by a friend who paid you to get her home safely.

"She was put through a terrifying ordeal and she faced the added trauma of not knowing whether you might be a murderer as well as a rapist."

Assadullah, a father of three, was granted leave to remain last year after claiming he had been tortured by the Taliban. The judge recommended his deportation.

Richard Massett, of the London Taxi Drivers' Association, said: "It's been five years since regulation was approved in Parliament and nothing has happened.

"We advise women travelling home alone late at night to use a licensed black cab if possible or, if not, to book a minicab by phone and ensure that it comes from the place where they booked it."

Detective Constable Malcolm Samuels, of the Metropolitan Police, said that because many minicab drivers work on a self-employed basis there is little incentive for the firm's owner to check on them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... judge.html

Here's Bill O'Reilly discussing the firing of the BBC woman. Bill doesn't tell you though but in UK media-speak "Asian" means "Muslim".

[desertdude]

Hmmm fox news and the daily mail in one post, a new record even for you. But even your rag is talking of one person an immigrant from Afghanistan. I fail to see where the 54 rapes were all committed by muslim men and the motivation behind it all was all that made up verbal diarrhea you blurted out a post earlier.

Sooo...according to your twisted, warped and living in loony land logic all those 52 rapes were dont by muslim men and that was connected to their religion somehow ( totally preposterous and pull out of your behind garbage btw ) I gave you one Christian man who alone might have committed up to a 100 rapes. Imagine how many unreported rapes there must be in London alone by the majority Christian cabbie drivers. 1000's at the very least, eh ? You're even worse at making up lies than that Ayaan Hirsi woman.

Now scamper off back to watching Harry Potter movies.

[N_Fiddledog]

The Daily Mail is every bit as credible as the Telegraph. Linking to one then calling down the other only makes you look ignorant.

Speaking of ignorant. Did you not check the bit I told you about where the judge gave a general warning to women on getting into mini-cabs. Refusing knowledge is not an acceptable excuse for ignorance.

Mini-cabs are largely Muslim in London. Or at least that's what I hear.

Why are there so many Muslim mini-cap drivers in the UK?

Stats are hard to find. Here's a blogger complaining about it...

$1:

Reliable statistics on taxi rapes nationwide are difficult to obtain, and Freedom of Information requests seeking accurate data on cab-related sexual assaults are routinely denied (here and here).

However, a much acclaimed report produced by the London Metropolitan Police Service estimates that on average there are a total of 1,125 sexual assaults, including rapes, each year involving taxi drivers in just London; this works out to approximately 22 sexual assaults against women by taxi drivers each week in England’s capital city alone.

Moreover, according to a report entitled, ‘Ending Violence against Women and Girls in the UK,’ published by the Home Office in March 2013, only around one in ten women who experience serious sexual assault report it to the police. As a result, one can infer that the actual number of taxi rapes across Britain as a whole is far greater than many are willing to admit.

Apart from a few high-profile cases, taxi rapes are rarely reported by national newspapers in Britain, apparently because the politically incorrect crimes are not deemed to be newsworthy.

But a survey of stories buried deep inside local newspapers shows that taxi rapes are occurring in all parts of England, Wales and Scotland on an almost daily basis.

https://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2 ... ish-girls/

Here's the report he was talking about from the London Metropolitan Police.

http://www.popcenter.org/library/awards ... /11-18.pdf

Here is a posting with links to I think 16 incidents as mentioned in local papers of london Muslim cab or minicab drivers involved in rape events. How many more would you like?

http://iranaware.com/2012/10/31/uk-musl ... nly-taxis/

[desertdude]

Yup still making up crap without any actual proof backing up that pile of shit. Like I said go back to your Potter movies.

Still working with your logic 1 Christian cabbie = 100 rapes.