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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:58 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Unsound Unsound: I get her point about how Remembrance Day can be and has been co-opted as a bit of a propoganda "support the troops at all costs" kind of thing, but there is more than enough real and honourable sentiment behind it that it still needs to be respected.
I don't see a reason to call her a skank though... Agreed. It's an insult to the patriotic and loyal skanks all across Canada. Does being a pacifist make one a skank? Naive? yes, but skank seems awfully harsh.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:05 am
This woman is simply a fool. Nothing much else needs to be said.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:15 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: So, does she want equal face time for the Nazi's, the Japanese Military Cabal or just the poor downtrodden Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan and Iraq? Rememberance Day always has been about fallen soldiers who died in war. I don't ever recall anyone specifying who's soldiers or what side they were fighting for. I do remember this nice German fellow who comes to the Legion, sometimes in Uniform, and is treated like any other soldier who served his country. Sorry but Remembrance Day in Canada is about honouring the Fallen Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen of Canada. Britain has it's own Remembrance Day, Australia has it's own day, Germany has Volkstrauertag and even Japan has the Yakasuni Shrine to honour their war dead so, why should we feel the need to include other countries especially enemy combatants in our ceremonies? As for not hearing anyone specify who's soldiers or what side they were fighting for allow me to show you something. $1: Prayer Service for Remembrance Day
INTRODUCTION
Good morning/afternoon. We come together today to remember in faith all who have served, and continue serving in our armed forces, especially those who have died and those wounded in battle. We also pray for healing and peace; that one day, all peoples will lay down their arms and embrace one another as brothers and sisters in one human family. OPENING SONG Please join in our opening song: (Sugg: Peace Prayer vv. 1‐3) OPENING PRAYER Let us begin our prayer: In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Lord God, you fashioned each of us in your divine image and likeness, to live in the communion you share as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Be with us as we reflect and pray this morning. May this gathering, together with Remembrance Day thoughts and prayers everywhere, help move our world one step closer to the peace of your Kingdom. We make this prayer to you through Jesus Christ, our Prince of Peace and Lord. Amen. And now, let us be attentive to God’s word. READING A reading from the prophet Isaiah In days to come, the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised above the hills; all the nations shall stream to it. Many peoples shall come and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.’ For out of Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations, and shall arbitrate for many peoples; they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning‐hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. The word of the Lord. Thanks be to God. MOMENT OF SILENCE Let us pause for a moment of silence as we remember God’s promise of peace, and all who have served in our armed forces to help bring peace to our world. It's pretty much the standard prayer for Remembrance Day Ceremonies and they're pretty specific who the ceremony is being held for.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:35 am
Grawg Grawg: To me, as a person suffering from PTSD, I remember every day of the year. Remembrance Day is a day that I try not to remember. This is probably one of my biggest triggers and hardest days of the year. Remembrance Day was started by veterans of the Great War 1914-1918 who experienced horrors in their war like no one before or since. No doubt, a lot of them felt the same way that you do every November 11th. They carried on with it though, in spite of the sadness and anguish that they (you) feel and we have to conclude that they meant it to be that way. Perhaps, Remembrance Day for them/you is not just a civic observance but it is a message handed down by them to you about things that the rest of us have never experienced and can never know.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:39 am
$1: Sorry but Remembrance Day in Canada is about honouring the Fallen Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen of Canada.
I'm sure that the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month was a tremendous relief for each and every human being crawling around in the trenches of the Western Front. Think of the young soldiers ... not the of politicians who sent them there. I'm sure that our ceremonies are not diminished one bit by including some very old German veterans who had no choice but to serve their mad politician. he obviously got it right in the end, anyway as he came here, settled here and became a part of Canada, anyway. There is no harm done by his presence after so many decades.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:59 am
Regina Regina: Maddie Fried seems to have a grudge with the British. African studies. The British are the most evil thing in the world, we are only a little higher up because we were 'forced' to go. You know, that kind of moronic horsehit. Pacifists are the kind of spoiled rotten ungrateful kiddies who are too stupid to realize that without the sacrifice of the past, it's very possible they would be unable to enjoy their freedom to be complete twats. I met a woman like that once, said if the Islam comes, she would convert and wear a burqua rather than fight. Made me sick, I excused myself quickly.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:06 am
martin14 martin14: Regina Regina: Maddie Fried seems to have a grudge with the British. African studies. The British are the most evil thing in the world, we are only a little higher up because we were 'forced' to go. You know, that kind of moronic horsehit. Pacifists are the kind of spoiled rotten ungrateful kiddies who are too stupid to realize that without the sacrifice of the past, it's very possible they would be unable to enjoy their freedom to be complete twats. I met a woman like that once, said if the Islam comes, she would convert and wear a burqua rather than fight. Made me sick, I excused myself quickly. Would convert, eh? Curious. Wonder how one stands on the Christan principals that lead to pacifism while shedding those same principles to convert to Islam? Sounds more like the religion was a side note to the morality.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:24 am
Gunnair Gunnair: Curious. Wonder how one stands on the Christan principals that lead to pacifism while shedding those same principles to convert to Islam?
No idea, I didn't stick around to find out by asking.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:30 am
martin14 martin14: Gunnair Gunnair: Curious. Wonder how one stands on the Christan principals that lead to pacifism while shedding those same principles to convert to Islam?
No idea, I didn't stick around to find out by asking. I'm sure her answer would have been nonsensical anyway.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:30 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: $1: Sorry but Remembrance Day in Canada is about honouring the Fallen Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen of Canada.
I'm sure that the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month was a tremendous relief for each and every human being crawling around in the trenches of the Western Front. Think of the young soldiers ... not the of politicians who sent them there. I'm sure that our ceremonies are not diminished one bit by including some very old German veterans who had no choice but to serve their mad politician. he obviously got it right in the end, anyway as he came here, settled here and became a part of Canada, anyway. There is no harm done by his presence after so many decades. I have no problem with them attending our ceremonies what so ever. The point I was trying to make with my original statement was the fact that the author of the article, not the good Dr., implied that the British Military was the aggressors and that our enemies were the victims and in saying that did she honestly think that our ceremonies should be geared towards inclusivity with them an attitude I found completely outrageous. There is no harm with anyone paying respect to the war dead and if the gentleman is in Canada it's only fitting that he honours our war dead at our ceremony and if in doing so he honours his own country's warriors then fine. But to make it mandatory to include all enemy combatants because some politically correct people want a warm fuzzy feeling about the brotherhood of man detracts from the original intent of Remembrance Day.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:52 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Unsound Unsound: I get her point about how Remembrance Day can be and has been co-opted as a bit of a propoganda "support the troops at all costs" kind of thing, but there is more than enough real and honourable sentiment behind it that it still needs to be respected.
I don't see a reason to call her a skank though... Agreed. It's an insult to the patriotic and loyal skanks all across Canada. I was curious to see your reaction about her basing her crap around her religion.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:56 pm
$1: good Dr., implied that the British Military was the aggressors and that our enemies were the victims
... should read The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. It is a really thorough account of that period. I should point out the THE smallest of the European forces involved that whole affair was the little British Expeditionary Force ... BEF which only had 100,000 soldiers ... the "Old Contemptibles". There sure weren't enough of them to be aggressors to anyone at the time. They could only react and they made what amounted to a suicide stand at Mons that stalled the plan mapped out decades ago by the German General Staff to take Paris, again.(The Schliefen Plan. The little British army spent themselves in the First few months, then they built a conscript army that showed up months later ... hardly the aggressors. It was naked German aggression and they followed an invasion script that they had planned for decades.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:29 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: $1: good Dr., implied that the British Military was the aggressors and that our enemies were the victims
... should read The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. It is a really thorough account of that period. I should point out the THE smallest of the European forces involved that whole affair was the little British Expeditionary Force ... BEF which only had 100,000 soldiers ... the "Old Contemptibles". There sure weren't enough of them to be aggressors to anyone at the time. They could only react and they made what amounted to a suicide stand at Mons that stalled the plan mapped out decades ago by the German General Staff to take Paris, again.(The Schliefen Plan. The little British army spent themselves in the First few months, then they built a conscript army that showed up months later ... hardly the aggressors. It was naked German aggression and they followed an invasion script that they had planned for decades. I read it years ago. 
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:21 pm
Unsound Unsound: I don't see a reason to call her a skank though... Actually, I was being kind. But thanks for caring.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:52 pm
Thanos Thanos: This woman is simply a fool. Nothing much else needs to be said. I can agree with that.
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