[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

you might have noticed I posted that the decriminalization of pot is likely going to happen here in BC and it's about time. But in fairness I did also post that you and your type would get out and try and torpedo this initiative because it didn't suit your agenda of legalizing all drugs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/21 ... 92772.html

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Dana Larsen, the man at the head of a B.C. campaign to force a provincial marijuana referendum, thinks a proposal to ticket Canadian pot smokers is a bad idea.

“I’d rather see revenue generated through legalization, regulation and taxation rather than fining the people who happen to be unlucky enough to get caught by police,” he told The Langley Times in an interview.

According to 2011 data collected by Larsen’s Sensible BC marijuana decriminalization campaign, out of the province’s 16,578 police reports of marijuana possession, 3,774 led to criminal charges. If the country’s police associations adopt the proposed ticketing system, then everyone caught with small amounts of pot will be subject to fines, Larsen argues.

“Better to just leave pot smokers alone,” said a Sensible BC tweet on Wednesday.

Do you recognize the name of the guy "torpedoing" his own initiative?

I did state that possession of marijuana shouldn't be a crime but I see you're still combining the legalization battle with decriminalization two separate issues which for some reason you can't keep from lumping together?

Although I will agree that the last line of your quote makes the most sense of the whole thing. Why bother with some dope smoking 15 year old who's potentially on his way to acquiring a great public school education, Mensa membership and a meaningful, life fulfilling job at MacDonalds. He's pretty much harmless and will likely just become another victim of this non addictive substance who'll end up in rehab just so he can find his mom's basement after a night on the bong.

So stop picking on the poor innocents who just want to relax and go after the guy who's growing it and selling it for profit and put him away for years and for the record if by some miracle this country ever legalizes marijuana they should increase the penalties for growing and selling it exponentially because as we've been told, Everyone would use the gov't drug store to buy their pot if it was only legal.

BTW I haven't heard much about the decriminalization referendum out here lately which leads me to believe they're having alot more trouble getting the required signatures than they first thought they would and if that's the case it'll probably set back your legalization plans by at least a decade.

[Jabberwalker]

The vast majority of Canadians will recognize that users of the drug will need to purchase it somewhere. If you don't create a legal framework for them to do that, but you recognize that the penalties do not deter usage, you're funding organized crime through prohibition.[/quote]

If you want me to vote "yes" to legalize crack cocaine for the same reasons...
... not in my lifetime!

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Canadians support giving people a fine for simple possession, not jail time...something Harper hasn't touched.

Bullshit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/26 ... 14388.html

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper says his government will never agree to the decriminalization of marijuana.

Harper's comments came Friday in Vancouver in response to a question at a brief news conference following an event at a downtown science centre.

"No, it will not happen under our government," Harper said. “We're very concerned about the spread of drugs in the country and the damage it's doing and as you know we have legislation before the House [of Commons] to crack down."
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This week, four former Vancouver mayors endorsed the Stop the Violence Coalition, which is comprised of former police officers, a judge, medical leaders and B.C.'s former chief coroner.

The coalition's founding principle is that regulation and taxation of marijuana would stop most of the violence associated with the drug trade and make pot less accessible to children.

Current Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson has said he agrees with the coalition's goals.

"We see the impact on the streets. We see the gang activity that's largely funded by the marijuana trade, a huge industry here in B.C.," Robertson said. "There's no tax revenue flowing from [it], so I think it's time for reform."

They have no idea how to deal with this problem, and are committed to making it worse.

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

you might have noticed I posted that the decriminalization of pot is likely going to happen here in BC and it's about time. But in fairness I did also post that you and your type would get out and try and torpedo this initiative because it didn't suit your agenda of legalizing all drugs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/21 ... 92772.html

$1:

Dana Larsen, the man at the head of a B.C. campaign to force a provincial marijuana referendum, thinks a proposal to ticket Canadian pot smokers is a bad idea.

“I’d rather see revenue generated through legalization, regulation and taxation rather than fining the people who happen to be unlucky enough to get caught by police,” he told The Langley Times in an interview.

According to 2011 data collected by Larsen’s Sensible BC marijuana decriminalization campaign, out of the province’s 16,578 police reports of marijuana possession, 3,774 led to criminal charges. If the country’s police associations adopt the proposed ticketing system, then everyone caught with small amounts of pot will be subject to fines, Larsen argues.

“Better to just leave pot smokers alone,” said a Sensible BC tweet on Wednesday.

Do you recognize the name of the guy "torpedoing" his own initiative?

I did state that possession of marijuana shouldn't be a crime but I see you're still combining the legalization battle with decriminalization two separate issues which for some reason you can't keep from lumping together?

Two separate issues?

Legalization/regulation is decriminalization, but decriminalization is not legalization - its another form of prohibition.. From the article:

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The association said its ticketing proposal would require changing federal law, but that does not mean the chiefs support the legalization of marijuana.
Chu said some officers, when confronted with simple possession, find laying charges isn't worth the effort.
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The association cited statistics from 2007 that show out of more than 100,000 drug offences reported by police that year in Canada, 47,101 of them were for marijuana possession.

They don't feel like doing the paperwork. That's a separate issue, but legalization and decriminalization are two different solutions to the same problem which is not too much paperwork.

The problem is violence from gangs competing for turf in the drug war, and the problem is availability to children with drugs being sold in schools instead of at liquor outlets, and the problem is the recruiting that happens among children getting pulled into gangs by selling marijuana because it's profitable, and the problem is huge expenditures in enforcement of laws that are completely ineffective at solving their stated goals, and lastly the problem is people being locked up for a victimless crime of partaking in recreational drugs.

Decriminalization only addresses the last two.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BTW I haven't heard much about the decriminalization referendum out here lately which leads me to believe they're having alot more trouble getting the required signatures than they first thought they would and if that's the case it'll probably set back your legalization plans by at least a decade.

They haven't even started collecting signatures yet, they are only signing up canvassers right now.

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If we can collect over 400,000 signatures from all across BC between September 9 and December 5, then there will be a BC referendum to decriminalize marijuana possession in 2014.

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Although I will agree that the last line of your quote makes the most sense of the whole thing. Why bother with some dope smoking 15 year old who's potentially on his way to acquiring a great public school education, Mensa membership and a meaningful, life fulfilling job at MacDonalds. He's pretty much harmless and will likely just become another victim of this non addictive substance who'll end up in rehab just so he can find his mom's basement after a night on the bong.

So stop picking on the poor innocents who just want to relax and go after the guy who's growing it and selling it for profit and put him away for years

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... e13925897/

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Chief Chu said filling out the paperwork for a simple possession charge can take an officer off the street for several hours, and a criminal record for marijuana use can cause a person disproportional hardship.
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Chief Chu said on Thursday the association will continue to give its “principled stance” to Ottawa. He said the association ruled out decriminalization or legalization because “we do not believe marijuana is good for people.”

The association doesn't seem to understand what decriminalization is. It's still illegal, but its not a criminal offence.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

and for the record if by some miracle this country ever legalizes marijuana they should increase the penalties for growing and selling it exponentially because as we've been told, Everyone would use the gov't drug store to buy their pot if it was only legal.

I'd be fine with increasing penalties for black market drug sales, so long as it isn't like what we have with medicinal marijuana: As soon as you violate Health Canada's ever-changing Medical Marijuana Access Regulations you're subject to the controlled substances act and it's mandatory minimums. Give users access to a regulated supply, and those suppliers are subject to that regulation and its penalties then throw the book at anyone who sells without a license.

[Headstrong]

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Although I will agree that the last line of your quote makes the most sense of the whole thing. Why bother with some dope smoking 15 year old who's potentially on his way to acquiring a great public school education, Mensa membership and a meaningful, life fulfilling job at MacDonalds. He's pretty much harmless and will likely just become another victim of this non addictive substance who'll end up in rehab just so he can find his mom's basement after a night on the bong.

So stop picking on the poor innocents who just want to relax and go after the guy who's growing it and selling it for profit and put him away for years

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... e13925897/

$1:

Chief Chu said filling out the paperwork for a simple possession charge can take an officer off the street for several hours, and a criminal record for marijuana use can cause a person disproportional hardship.
...
Chief Chu said on Thursday the association will continue to give its “principled stance” to Ottawa. He said the association ruled out decriminalization or legalization because “we do not believe marijuana is good for people.”

The association doesn't seem to understand what decriminalization is. It's still illegal, but its not a criminal offence.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

and for the record if by some miracle this country ever legalizes marijuana they should increase the penalties for growing and selling it exponentially because as we've been told, Everyone would use the gov't drug store to buy their pot if it was only legal.

I'd be fine with increasing penalties for black market drug sales, so long as it isn't like what we have with medicinal marijuana: As soon as you violate Health Canada's ever-changing Medical Marijuana Access Regulations you're subject to the controlled substances act and it's mandatory minimums. Give users access to a regulated supply, and those suppliers are subject to that regulation and its penalties then throw the book at anyone who sells without a license.

No room for personal production? Why can't a person have a dozen or so plants around for personal consumption?

[Curtman]

Headstrong Headstrong:

Curtman Curtman:

I'd be fine with increasing penalties for black market drug sales, so long as it isn't like what we have with medicinal marijuana: As soon as you violate Health Canada's ever-changing Medical Marijuana Access Regulations you're subject to the controlled substances act and it's mandatory minimums. Give users access to a regulated supply, and those suppliers are subject to that regulation and its penalties then throw the book at anyone who sells without a license.

No room for personal production? Why can't a person have a dozen or so plants around for personal consumption?

Why wouldn't they be in a similar situation to someone brewing their own wine or beer? They don't concern themselves with the controlled substances act either.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Canadians support giving people a fine for simple possession, not jail time...something Harper hasn't touched.

Bullshit.



They have no idea how to deal with this problem, and are committed to making it worse.

You're a chronic liar.

Nothing I said was bullshit nor did anything you post prove that it was.

Harper hasn't touched any laws regarding simple possession of marijuana. Leave your partisan bullshit at the door and start telling the truth. It's getting pathetic.

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Canadians support giving people a fine for simple possession, not jail time...something Harper hasn't touched.

Bullshit.



They have no idea how to deal with this problem, and are committed to making it worse.

You're a chronic liar.

Nothing I said was bullshit nor did anything you post prove that it was.

Harper hasn't touched any laws regarding simple possession of marijuana. Leave your partisan bullshit at the door and start telling the truth. It's getting pathetic.

So a declaration that they are not open to decriminalization is nothing?

What is it he said they are cracking down on when asked about decriminalization?

Simple possession of marijuana is a waste of time, that is what the association of chiefs of police is saying.

I'm a chronic what now? Talk to your employer at the CPC about that.

LANGUAGE ADVISORY:


The war on drugs is a failure.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

So a declaration that they are not open to decriminalization is nothing?

What is it he said they are cracking down on when asked about decriminalization?

Simple possession of marijuana is a waste of time, that is what the association of chiefs of police is saying.

I'm a chronic what now? Talk to your employer at the CPC about that.

Yes, it's nothing because you're off topic. Does that have anything to do with what I said? No.

Try and keep up. Put down the weed so you can remember what we're talking about.

I said:

$1:

Canadians support giving people a fine for simple possession, not jail time...something Harper hasn't touched.

What about that is bullshit? Nothing.

Canadians do support fines for simple possession and Harper hasn't done anything to stiffen/lax the laws for those people.

Let your bullshit continue, it's all you've got.

What's funny Curt is that you make another stupid reference to me and the CPC when my position, even in this post, is not on par with the CPC's stance.

Again, the weed must be impairing your memory...or whatever "medical condition" you have that requires you to smoke dope.

[Headstrong]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

....Harper hasn't done anything to stiffen/lax the laws for those people.

True, however....

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Since the Tories came to power in 2006, and slammed the door on the previous Liberal government’s muddled plans to reduce or decriminalize marijuana penalties, arrests for pot possession have jumped 41 per cent. In those six years, police reported more than 405,000 marijuana-related arrests, roughly equivalent to the populations of Regina and Saskatoon combined.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/06/10/why- ... marijuana/

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

What's funny Curt is that you make another stupid reference to me and the CPC when my position, even in this post, is not on par with the CPC's stance.

What is your position? Drugs are bad, Mmmmmmkay?

Stephen Harper Stephen Harper:

"No, it will not happen under our government," Harper said. “We're very concerned about the spread of drugs in the country and the damage it's doing and as you know we have legislation before the House [of Commons] to crack down."

You're clearly arguing something, but haven't said what.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Again, the weed must be impairing your memory...or whatever "medical condition" you have that requires you to smoke dope.

What does it matter?

What to do you propose we do to end the drug war?

[Headstrong]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Canadians support giving people a fine for simple possession...

Police Chiefs are in favor of this move but I haven't seen any stats on how Canadians feel. Do you have more info?

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

You're clearly arguing something, but haven't said what.

You call bullshit on me and don't prove a damn thing and then you come back with that? You called me out and had nothing to back it up but more partisan bullshit.

Facepalm.

Curtman Curtman:

What to do you propose we do to end the drug war?

The "War On Drugs" will never end. Just as the "war" on murder, rape, child porn, etc will ever end.

This facile argument you present is why you're a bad spokesperson for the pro-pot agenda. We don't just change laws because we're not "winning".

[OnTheIce]

Headstrong Headstrong:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Canadians support giving people a fine for simple possession...

Police Chiefs are in favor of this move but I haven't seen any stats on how Canadians feel. Do you have more info?

No, but you're free to ask Curtman or use Google. Based on your cut-and-paste onslaught, you're pretty familiar with search engines.