[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Blame, blame, blame. There's little to be gained by ill-infomred, partisan reviews of the history of Canada and First Nations. The relevant questions are "Where are we now"...

Yeah, like Curty was worried about the nutritional needs of natives not being fulfilled in the 40s. Not to worry. We fixed that one. Check out this fine specimen.

[ShepherdsDog]

The obesity and diabetes rates found in the Native population really shows that they're starving. Harper is to blame for that too

[martin14]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The obesity and diabetes rates found in the Native population really shows that they're starving. Harper is to blame for that too

Damn straight, he won't share the kittehs, all that protein, only for him..

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Blame, blame, blame. There's little to be gained by ill-infomred, partisan reviews of the history of Canada and First Nations. The relevant questions are "Where are we now"...

Yeah, like Curty was worried about the nutritional needs of natives not being fulfilled in the 40s. Not to worry. We fixed that one. Check out this fine specimen.

It's funny because your brain is small.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The obesity and diabetes rates found in the Native population really shows that they're starving. Harper is to blame for that too

Canada: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/201 ... ldren.html

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In the developed world, however, the relationship between wealth and body weight is strangely turned on its head. Here in Canada, for example, obesity is increasingly coming to be seen as a disease of the poor.

United States: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198075/

$1:

Are poverty and obesity associated? Poverty rates and obesity were reviewed across 3,139 counties in the U.S. (2,6). In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of >35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties.

U.K. : http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... verty-link

$1:

The Public Health Minister Anna Soubry discussed the link between wealth and weight of children in the UK this week. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, the Minister said "not everybody who is overweight comes from deprived backgrounds but that's where the propensity lies".

We decided to look at the relevant data: do children's waistlines get wider when their parents' belts get tighter? The results are not quite so straightforward.

Looking at the link between deprivation and obesity for men and women in Britain, there is a notable correlation, as obesity prevalence rises or stays the same with each increase in deprivation. 30% of women and 25% of men who are classified as the most deprived in society are also obese. These numbers drop to 19% and 22% obesity rates for the least deprived.

India: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jobes/2010/868573/

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The study indicated that the living conditions in rural areas had improved considerably. Transport facilities, medical care and food habits, educational status, and family income had dramatically improved which along with easy access to city and television watching resulted in changes in life style. These eventually lead to significant increase in BMI as well as abdominal obesity in both sexes as compared to a similar study conducted in the year 1989. The prevalence of overweight rose from 2% to 17.1%. The changing life style of the rural dwellers was found to be a contributory factor for the rising rates of obesity and associated metabolic diseases such as diabetes

Your idea that obesity is caused by affluence has no evidence.

[Zipperfish]

White people learned to adapt to a sedentary lifestyle through centuries of enslaving others to do their work for them. Indians aren't used to not having to spend every erg of energy they have trying to eat, so they are getting fat and torpid.

[DVC185]

I thought our token pothead Curty went away in a huff never to return....maybe he needs to do a Thief Spence and just disappear.

[Zipperfish]

DVC185 DVC185:

I thought our token pothead Curty went away in a huff never to return....maybe he needs to do a Thief Spence and just disappear.

ha ha ha. It's funny because your brain is small.

[Curtman]

Everyone wants a pot topic I guess. I'll see what I can do for you guys later when I get home.

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Curtman Curtman:

No, ratifying then cancelling the kelowna accord was. And ignoring the issue for most of the decade after.

Try to keep on topic..

That's rich coming from a guy who's whole schtick is confined to legalize drugs and give the natives more money, no matter what the topic.

Oh yeah.. Well as long as we're just making up stuff again, why not go for the gusto? You're a prohibitionist who is against honouring the treaties that Canada signed on to. I'd be curious to see what quote you could find from me that amounts to "give the natives more money", got any? Bring education funding in-line with with education funding for the non-native population. Somehow in your brain this equates to give them more money I guess.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But hey, as for staying on topic, here's another gem about the Kelowna accord.

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The press release issued by the Office of the Prime Minister on the November 25, 2005 outlined $5 billion in spending over 10 years, but did not set out the means for the fiscal distribution between federal departments, provincial and territorial governments, and Aboriginal groups.

So after reading your previous posts about people like Theresa Spence I can certainly understand your outrage at the thought that the Conservative Government would have the nerve to cancel a 5 billion dollar taxpayer funded native welfare program with no accountability, stated financial goals or government oversight like the Kelowna accords.

So instead of blaming Harper like you always do why not blame Paul Martin for not having the testicles to put the proper checks and balances into place before promising our tax dollars to a select group of people who have continually abused the system for their own personal gain while letting their own constituents languish in poverty.

$1:

Kelowna deal included $1.8 billion for education

A rough agenda released by Martin's Liberal government in the days before the conference suggested the meeting would focus on five critical areas: health, education, economic development, relationships between government and aboriginals, and housing, including incentives for private home ownership on reserves.

Ottawa said the initiatives would represent a 10-year commitment to raising the standard of living of aboriginal Canadians so that it would be equal that of all other Canadians.

The plan included:

$1.8 billion for education, to create school systems, train more aboriginal teachers and identify children with special needs.
$1.6 billion for housing, including $400 million to address the need for clean water in many remote communities.
$1.3 billion for health services.
$200 million for economic development.

...

Alberta Premier Ralph Klein also expressed his disappointment. He said the Kelowna deal went a long way toward addressing the needs of First Nations and Métis peoples.
...
all the premiers endorsed the agreement.

5 billion over 10 years to improve the lives of Canadians was axed -vs- the 2 billion spent over a long weekend for the G20 which improved nothing at all whatsoever. Further, the Harperites have attacked existing education that was doing good for these remote communities. It's a clear indication of priorities, and why people should be upset about it.

For the Harperites to refuse funding to Attawapiskat over undocumented expenses, makes precisely the same amount of sense as if I were to refuse paying income tax based on the undocumented and missing 3 billion dollars in the Federal governments accounting.

The Kelowna Accord may have been a good idea but lacked any framework about how it was to implemented, who was to pay for it, and showed a definate lack of accountability. Sure the Premiers signed off on it and claimed it was a good idea because they were going to get a portion of the money which likely wouldn't have made it to the native people. But then again saying it's good to be giving someone else's money away seems to be a theme with you.

Attiwsapiskat. Money down the toilet and even as blind as you are you should be able to see that Theresea Spence and her accountant boyfriend are living the good life while the rest of the band suffers. Where has the money from the mine and Gov't gone. Nobody seems to know do they?

Why aren't the trailers the Gov't sent up there set up yet????? It was all about housing wasn't it?

As for prohibition, your wrong. If you'd read my past posts when you had placed yourself into self imposed exile because someone handed you your ass, you might have noticed I posted that the decriminalization of pot is likely going to happen here in BC and it's about time. But in fairness I did also post that you and your type would get out and try and torpedo this initiative because it didn't suit your agenda of legalizing all drugs.

Guess what I was right, again.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So after reading your previous posts about people like Theresa Spence I can certainly understand your outrage at the thought that the Conservative Government would have the nerve to cancel a 5 billion dollar taxpayer funded native welfare program with no accountability, stated financial goals or government oversight like the Kelowna accords.

So instead of blaming Harper like you always do why not blame Paul Martin for not having the testicles to put the proper checks and balances into place before promising our tax dollars to a select group of people who have continually abused the system for their own personal gain while letting their own constituents languish in poverty.

Spot on. +5 if you had your rep turned on.



-J.

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The Kelowna Accord may have been a good idea but lacked any framework about how it was to implemented, who was to pay for it, and showed a definate lack of accountability. Sure the Premiers signed off on it and claimed it was a good idea because they were going to get a portion of the money which likely wouldn't have made it to the native people. But then again saying it's good to be giving someone else's money away seems to be a theme with you.

I never advocated any such thing. Its you saying that it's fine to give a lesser standard of health and education services to some Canadians. It's not "giving someone else's money away", it's our money. I think it's great that everyone wants to move past the Indian Act, but it's depressing that people like you want to dictate a solution instead of negotiating one.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Attiwsapiskat. Money down the toilet and even as blind as you are you should be able to see that Theresea Spence and her accountant boyfriend are living the good life while the rest of the band suffers. Where has the money from the mine and Gov't gone. Nobody seems to know do they?

Why aren't the trailers the Gov't sent up there set up yet????? It was all about housing wasn't it?

This is funny only because I would say the same thing about Tony Clement's "border security" gazebos. It's a larger sum of money than what you are talking about.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

As for prohibition, your wrong. If you'd read my past posts when you had placed yourself into self imposed exile because someone handed you your ass, you might have noticed I posted that the decriminalization of pot is likely going to happen here in BC and it's about time. But in fairness I did also post that you and your type would get out and try and torpedo this initiative because it didn't suit your agenda of legalizing all drugs.

Where did I torpedo what initiative? You're a strange man FOG. You and your imaginary ass handing.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Guess what I was right, again.

Take your meds buddy. Everything will be ok.

[Thanos]

Another Curtman thread gone sideways? WOOT!

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The Kelowna Accord may have been a good idea but lacked any framework about how it was to implemented, who was to pay for it, and showed a definate lack of accountability. Sure the Premiers signed off on it and claimed it was a good idea because they were going to get a portion of the money which likely wouldn't have made it to the native people. But then again saying it's good to be giving someone else's money away seems to be a theme with you.

I never advocated any such thing. Its you saying that it's fine to give a lesser standard of health and education services to some Canadians. It's not "giving someone else's money away", it's our money. I think it's great that everyone wants to move past the Indian Act, but it's depressing that people like you want to dictate a solution instead of negotiating one.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Attiwsapiskat. Money down the toilet and even as blind as you are you should be able to see that Theresea Spence and her accountant boyfriend are living the good life while the rest of the band suffers. Where has the money from the mine and Gov't gone. Nobody seems to know do they?

Why aren't the trailers the Gov't sent up there set up yet????? It was all about housing wasn't it?

This is funny only because I would say the same thing about Tony Clement's "border security" gazebos. It's a larger sum of money than what you are talking about.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

As for prohibition, your wrong. If you'd read my past posts when you had placed yourself into self imposed exile because someone handed you your ass, you might have noticed I posted that the decriminalization of pot is likely going to happen here in BC and it's about time. But in fairness I did also post that you and your type would get out and try and torpedo this initiative because it didn't suit your agenda of legalizing all drugs.

Where did I torpedo what initiative? You're a strange man FOG. You and your imaginary ass handing.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Guess what I was right, again.

Take your meds buddy. Everything will be ok.

And you had the gall to tell me to stay on topic.

WTF does Tony Clement have to do with the Manitoba Grand Chief, or any of the other Native Leaders?

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Curtman

I think it's terrible too. Consider this my resignation from the forum.

Useless machine wins. Enjoy your forum.

I'd rather be what you consider a strange man than a hypocrite but it's your choice not mine.

But in the interim, I'll go and take my meds which are perfectly legal and prescribed for conditions acquired during my military service while you'll probably go self medicate on drugs that are illegal and supply money and power to criminal organizations.

But hey, to each his own and I'm sure they'll legalize all drugs like you want someday so you can say you accomplished something in your lifetime to.

[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

Another Curtman thread gone sideways? WOOT!