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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:47 am
 


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IF the person does not admit to being stoned/drunk can you force them to do a breath/drug test because you are suspecious of the person? Wouldn't that person have a possible law suite?

People are subjected to random drugs tests by their employer on a regular basis anyway, for drugs are illegal.
I never heard of an alcohol test tho.

I don't know whether a pee-test includes testing for alcohol as well?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:50 am
 


jj2424 jj2424:
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They would prosecute him for being drunk so why shouldn't they prosecute him for being stoned?

if the guy had 10 impaired charges they probably wouldn't have hired him.


Not a surprise this conversation is lost on you.



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:52 am
 


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I don't know whether a pee-test includes testing for alcohol as well?


It can be tested via a urin test but will not hold up in court. To many other things can trigger a urin test to be positive alcohol. Cough medicene and diabeties come to mind. A blood or breath test is less likely to give a false positive.

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People are subjected to random drugs tests by their employer on a regular basis anyway, for drugs are illegal.

Some jobs I have had say they will do random testing but outside of the military I've never been randomly tested. Cost to much I guess. I was must supprised that while I worked in the Jails they did not have at least once a year random test on the guards and deputies. I suspect some of my fellow officers would not have stayed employeed.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:53 am
 


$1:
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ouchie momma that is funny. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:45 pm
 


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FFS, this is disgusting. I make no secret of my love for marijuana, but this is silly. I can easily tell if any of my guys are high, and if I catch any of them at work, let alone operating heavy equipment, they are toast.

What if you smell alcohol on their breath?

Alcohol, marijuana, doesn't matter. If I suspect that you are impaired in any way, you are off site...I even include fatigue.

I am not jeopardizing someone's life because an employee is being irresponsible in their preparation for work.

I don't care what you do on your own time, but when you are on my time, you are 100% or you are not there.

My employees understand this, and I have gotten the occasional call telling me that they won't be in due to impairment. And, as long as it is as rare as sick days, I let it slide.

As for drug/alcohol testing, my legal advisor tells me that they do have the right to refuse (in my industry) and I have the right to refuse them access to the workplace if they do. Although, that right is rescinded for all of us if there is an incident. In that case we are all legally required to comply.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:18 pm
 


At my company there is pre-employment testng for drugs and alcohol, post-incident for both, and random testing. The randoms happen every 3 months or so, and absolutely everyone is eligible. I've seen the GM get sent to pee in a cup.

Post-incident test involve peeing and a breathalyzer. We have also in the past, "randomly" tested someone that we had reason to believe was drinking at work. He passed that day but less than a week later we smelled it on him again and when confronted about it he was actually drunk and stupid enough to pull a "yeah, and so what?" kind of attitude. Fired on the spot.

Most construction jobs for big contractors and most jobs involving heavy equipment have fairly strict drug and alcohol policies and more and more of those policies are actually enforced these days. There are still a lot of people who slip through the cracks, but it's getting harder and harder. We just recently had to turn down a good ex-employee who wanted to come back because his pre-employment test came back "inconclusive", which basically means he tested positive for a cleansing kit.

Although I am a big fan of post-incident testing and of having the option to test people I'm suspicious of I am honestly less enamoured of the pre - employment tests because, the drug test, isn't accurate enough as to when they did drugs. I've missed out on being able to hire a number of good people because they like to get high on saturday night and the drug test doesn't really distinguish between that or someone who's high all day at work.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:26 pm
 


$1:
I've missed out on being able to hire a number of good people because they like to get high on saturday night and the drug test doesn't really distinguish between that or someone who's high all day at work.
How can that be changed?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:32 pm
 


Unsound Unsound:
because they like to get high on saturday night and the drug test doesn't really distinguish between that or someone who's high all day at work.


That's the problem I have with random drug testing, the company's policy on drugs can basically infringe on what a person can do on their days off or even while on their holidays. Being under the influence at work is one thing, but being denied employment because you may have smoked a joint last week is pushing things too far, unless of course the nature of the job demands one to be drug free .


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:32 pm
 


Hyack Hyack:
Unsound Unsound:
because they like to get high on saturday night and the drug test doesn't really distinguish between that or someone who's high all day at work.


That's the problem I have with random drug testing, the company's policy on drugs can basically infringe on what a person can do on their days off or even while on their holidays. Being under the influence at work is one thing, but being denied employment because you may have smoked a joint last week is pushing things too far, unless of course the nature of the job demands one to be drug free .


Or obey the law.


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