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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:28 am
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
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Meanwhile, the NDP plots election fraud with a willing Elections Canada for 2015.

Well the precedent's been set if nothing is done about the frauds committed during the last election.


No frauds have been committed. All we have is allegations.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:49 am
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Lemmy Lemmy:
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Meanwhile, the NDP plots election fraud with a willing Elections Canada for 2015.

Well the precedent's been set if nothing is done about the frauds committed during the last election.


No frauds have been committed. All we have is allegations.


Hence the legal challenge. Will you change your tune if a guilty verdict comes out?


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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
No frauds have been committed. All we have is allegations.

Wrong. If we find a severed head, we know a murder's been committed. Frauds have been committed. Whether there's enough useable evidence to hang them on anyone is another matter, but the violations are real.





PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:39 am
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
No frauds have been committed. All we have is allegations.


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The IP address used to send misleading robocalls to Guelph voters on election day was the same address used by a worker from the campaign office of local Conservative candidate Marty Burke

The Internet Protocol address — like an Internet phone number — was used by campaign worker Andrew Prescott to arrange legitimate calls through RackNine, the Edmonton voice broadcasting firm.

But the same IP address was also used to arrange the fraudulent “Pierre Poutine” calls that pretended to be from Elections Canada and sent hundreds of electors to the wrong polling stations, Elections Canada alleges in court documents.



There's definitely been frauds, and there is plenty of evidence. You can make believe there hasn't, but it's a fantasy world you live in then.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:23 am
 


Curtman Curtman:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
No frauds have been committed. All we have is allegations.


$1:
The IP address used to send misleading robocalls to Guelph voters on election day was the same address used by a worker from the campaign office of local Conservative candidate Marty Burke

The Internet Protocol address — like an Internet phone number — was used by campaign worker Andrew Prescott to arrange legitimate calls through RackNine, the Edmonton voice broadcasting firm.

But the same IP address was also used to arrange the fraudulent “Pierre Poutine” calls that pretended to be from Elections Canada and sent hundreds of electors to the wrong polling stations, Elections Canada alleges in court documents.



There's definitely been frauds, and there is plenty of evidence. You can make believe there hasn't, but it's a fantasy world you live in then.


Both you guys inhabit partisan fantasy worlds, Curt.





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Gunnair Gunnair:
Both you guys inhabit partisan fantasy worlds, Curt.


If you say so. I hope I would have more sense than to be dismissive about election fraud if it was the Liberal Democrats who were implicated.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:54 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:

Hence the legal challenge. Will you change your tune if a guilty verdict comes out?


Of course. I've said openly that I don't support this bush-league style of politics from either side of the political spectrum.

Curtman Curtman:
There's definitely been frauds, and there is plenty of evidence. You can make believe there hasn't, but it's a fantasy world you live in then.


Well, we're 18 months past the last election. With "plenty" of evidence why is it taking so long for any charges, fines or anything to be made public?

Lemmy Lemmy:
Wrong. If we find a severed head, we know a murder's been committed. Frauds have been committed. Whether there's enough useable evidence to hang them on anyone is another matter, but the violations are real.


But we've found nothing. No "severed head".

All we have are allegations of calls being made. If someone says "I think I saw a severed head in the water" and nothing has been found, it doesn't mean a murder has taken place.





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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Curtman Curtman:
There's definitely been frauds, and there is plenty of evidence. You can make believe there hasn't, but it's a fantasy world you live in then.


Well, we're 18 months past the last election. With "plenty" of evidence why is it taking so long for any charges, fines or anything to be made public?


Are you kidding?

The Judge The Judge:
"Having heard the submissions of the parties on costs, and finding that these motions have unnecessarily delayed and encumbered these proceedings, it is further ordered that the costs of these motions shall be paid by the respondent MPs to the applicants, in any event of the cause," she wrote.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:58 am
 


Curtman Curtman:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Both you guys inhabit partisan fantasy worlds, Curt.


If you say so. I hope I would have more sense than to be dismissive about election fraud if it was the Liberal Democrats who were implicated.


I would too, but I wouldn't lay wagers.

You've not shown an ability to move beyond partisanship in the past.


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Gunnair Gunnair:

I would too, but I wouldn't lay wagers.

You've not shown an ability to move beyond partisanship in the past.


It wouldn't matter if he did. If he turned the page and started to support the CPC you'd still call him a partisan hack.

In my case, you continue to take mis-guided jabs at me for being partisan when I've been anything but.





PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:02 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
Curtman Curtman:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Both you guys inhabit partisan fantasy worlds, Curt.


If you say so. I hope I would have more sense than to be dismissive about election fraud if it was the Liberal Democrats who were implicated.


I would too, but I wouldn't lay wagers.

You've not shown an ability to move beyond partisanship in the past.


Only if you're counting being anti-Harper as being partisan. I support the Liberals and I support the NDP. I even support 2 or 3 things the CPC have done since the unpleasantness began.

Harper is not a party, so I don't think it qualifies as partisan to say he's an ass and that he is doing harm to our country.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:36 am
 


Given the massive amount of advertising done by Elections Canada in the newspapers and on TV, the information available online, and the mail-outs that tell each and every recipient where their exact poll location is, the idea that a few stupid phone calls "hijacked democracy" or "took away my right to vote!" is ridiculous. Yes, three trustworthy and verifiable sources clearly told me where to vote, but I'm going to listen to one goofy phone call that came in under an obviously made-up joke name instead. Whatever. :roll:

The solution to all of this would be to ban phoning peoples' residences altogether during the entire course of an election, both for polling and for robocall advertising. But I doubt that the Liberals or Dippers would like that very much at all considering that, during the last Alberta election, it was Liberal leader Raj Sherman's robocalls that were coming in on my phone more than five times a day for weeks on end.


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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:

I would too, but I wouldn't lay wagers.

You've not shown an ability to move beyond partisanship in the past.


It wouldn't matter if he did. If he turned the page and started to support the CPC you'd still call him a partisan hack.

In my case, you continue to take mis-guided jabs at me for being partisan when I've been anything but.


And yet your posting history suggests otherwise.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:55 am
 


Curtman Curtman:
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If you say so. I hope I would have more sense than to be dismissive about election fraud if it was the Liberal Democrats who were implicated.


I would too, but I wouldn't lay wagers.

You've not shown an ability to move beyond partisanship in the past.


Only if you're counting being anti-Harper as being partisan. I support the Liberals and I support the NDP. I even support 2 or 3 things the CPC have done since the unpleasantness began.

Harper is not a party, so I don't think it qualifies as partisan to say he's an ass and that he is doing harm to our country.


This suggests he's a dictator.

He is not.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:10 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:

I would too, but I wouldn't lay wagers.

You've not shown an ability to move beyond partisanship in the past.


It wouldn't matter if he did. If he turned the page and started to support the CPC you'd still call him a partisan hack.

In my case, you continue to take mis-guided jabs at me for being partisan when I've been anything but.


And yet your posting history suggests otherwise.


Perhaps you need to look at the posting history you refer to.

Take a look at some of the political things I've said, even as close as last week.

Partisan's don't call the for multi-firing of people within "their" party...they defend them to the end. Partisan hacks don't claim their party will lose the next general election.


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