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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:28 pm
 


China will either fail or fall to another revolution.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:40 pm
 


Why are we all so surprised that she's defending the regime? She grew up in it, it the was reason for her comfortable life away from the masses getting shot because of their own stupidity. Why are we so shocked?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:45 pm
 


How selfish of her to act like that.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:48 pm
 


I'm not shocked. The History Channel has been running World at War in HD. It's been very interesting to watch the old Nazi's and their ilk sticking to their unrepentant loyalty to the monster that was their Fuhrer.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:53 pm
 


Who exactly among the CKA regulars has been coming out and defending the concept of a command economy? :?

The guys from Rammstein said something similiar. They formed the group in Leipzig just a couple of years after the Berlin Wall came down. They've said that no one in East Germany misses the police state or any of that sort of nonsense. What they, and a lot of other East Germans, got angry at was the way the east got looted and picked clean by carpetbaggers from West Germany and the United States coming in, shutting down their workplaces, and basically stealing (in typical grand ol' unregulated capitalist style) anything that wasn't tied down. For all their many undefendable flaws, the former Soviet satellite states did provide a certain level of social and economic stability, a stability that was raped to death by the usual big-business suspects. Y'know, the same ones who did the junk bond ripoff, the tech bubble free-for-all, and the mortgage-collapse atrocity. No one in East Germany misses the Stasi, but they also didn't ask for their society to get plundered and butchered by The Smartest Guys In The Room either.

But that's just me, being my usual Socialist Obama loving asshole self, defending communism and centrally-planned command economies again...... :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:56 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Who exactly among the CKA regulars has been coming out and defending the concept of a command economy? :?


Mr. Canada for sure.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:05 pm
 


And good ol' Mr. C is hardly representative of the rest of us who also think that unregulated and unpoliced capitalism is as big a threat to the world and to the well-being of the average person that communism was.

Maybe if capitalists quit behaving like locusts that leave nothing but pure destruction behind them then other folks would no longer have a reason to view them as such. :|


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:25 am
 


She had a very privileged position in the DDR and now it is gone. She is bitter that she misses her position, money and toys. That is why she is whining.


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Thanos Thanos:
Maybe if capitalists quit behaving like locusts that leave nothing but pure destruction behind them then other folks would no longer have a reason to view them as such. :|


Events do not take place in a vacuum.

Capitalists do the things they do because their investors insist on ever-increasing profits.

As I've illustrated time and again, the principle investors on Wall Street are insurance companies and pensions funds.

The principle holders of pension funds and insurance polcies are not the 1% but the masses of folks who are preparing for retirement.

My mother in law is a fine example. Because of my father in laws outdated investment strategies she's locked into low-yield long term CDs that are paying her as little as $200 interest on $100,000 in deposits. She is struggling.

Meanwhile, my 401(k) which I've aggressively invested is yielding $7,785 per $100,000 this past quarter. I put my money into an aggressive mutaul fund and the fund managers are probably beating up the firms they're invested into to reap these profits.

I'm depending on this for my retirement.

I'm also guilty of causing the problems you're assigning to the greedy capitalists. Before you throw rocks at me you may want to look around at your own investments and those of your friends and family. They're probably doing the same thing I am.

I am not sure what the solution is. For some firms the solution has been to buy back stock to reduce the influence of their investors and some firms have even gone private to get away from market pressures.

But if you go at this by doing something to hurt the markets then the people who will hurt the most are retirees who depend on dividend income to pay their bills and put food on the table.

Edit: One of the ultimate ironies of life is that I used to work for Intel until pressure from the investors' representatives on the Board of Directors forced layoffs and cuts to enhance profits in 2005. The primary group of investors that caused this? Intel employees who held stock in the company.

As one of those employee-investors I caused my own layoff.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:55 am
 


Good one Bart...

It's like holding stocks in the same bank where you have all your accounts.
As a client, you demand the best service, low charges, high return on your accounts and the best rates on your loans. As an investor, you want the bank to make the most money they can, by offering the complete opposite.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:01 am
 


I stopped putting my money into 'bank accounts' when i was 20 and started buying RBC stock and RBC mortage certificates.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:15 am
 


Thanos Thanos:
Who exactly among the CKA regulars has been coming out and defending the concept of a command economy? :?

The guys from Rammstein said something similiar. They formed the group in Leipzig just a couple of years after the Berlin Wall came down. They've said that no one in East Germany misses the police state or any of that sort of nonsense. What they, and a lot of other East Germans, got angry at was the way the east got looted and picked clean by carpetbaggers from West Germany and the United States coming in, shutting down their workplaces, and basically stealing (in typical grand ol' unregulated capitalist style) anything that wasn't tied down. For all their many undefendable flaws, the former Soviet satellite states did provide a certain level of social and economic stability, a stability that was raped to death by the usual big-business suspects. Y'know, the same ones who did the junk bond ripoff, the tech bubble free-for-all, and the mortgage-collapse atrocity. No one in East Germany misses the Stasi, but they also didn't ask for their society to get plundered and butchered by The Smartest Guys In The Room either.

But that's just me, being my usual Socialist Obama loving asshole self, defending communism and centrally-planned command economies again...... :roll:


R=UP And of all the east block, East Germany had the best economic success. I guess a more gradual integration would have been better, but pretty hard to stem the wave once the dam starts breaking. Not only was E Germany plundered, but they had to adapt to a whole different culture - theirs was much more laid back - old fashioned you could say. You know, the stuff conservatives are always bemoaning we've lost.

OTOH, the Poles seem to be doing really well - they seem to have adapted to capitalism with little problem. I guess because they don't have their sisters and brothers sneering down at them telling them how stupid they are. And they don't have to compete with the number one child that's the envy of the rest of the neighborhood.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:43 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
Maybe if capitalists quit behaving like locusts that leave nothing but pure destruction behind them then other folks would no longer have a reason to view them as such. :|


I'm also guilty of causing the problems you're assigning to the greedy capitalists. Before you throw rocks at me you may want to look around at your own investments and those of your friends and family. They're probably doing the same thing I am.


We don't do investments anymore. It has something to do with a fund that took 20 years to build up falling from about $60000 at the end of 2007 being worth less than $20000 by the end of 2008. All thanks to the antics of Wall Street, where the big boys looked at me and mine as being "muppets", worthy only of being stolen from. The only one within my immediate circle who weren't fleeced was my mom, who keeps her stuff in those "old lady" GIC's. Not much interest being made, but then again she doesn't lose all her principal either when the locusts salesmen once again come to call.

This is as indefensible a system to live under as communism was. And these evil m*******rs hiding behind "caveat emptor" (which only makes sense as a theory when the saleman isn't an active criminal) isn't good enough. If Margot Hoenecker and her ilk deserve to be put up against a wall then there's probably about a million bankers and brokers that completely deserve to be standing right next to her when the corrective solution is applied.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:14 am
 


Wow, she even has the audacity to complain about her state-paid pension when she should be living in a gutter where even the rats would not touch her.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:16 am
 


Thanos Thanos:
We don't do investments anymore. It has something to do with a fund that took 20 years to build up falling from about $60000 at the end of 2007 being worth less than $20000 by the end of 2008. All thanks to the antics of Wall Street, where the big boys looked at me and mine as being "muppets", worthy only of being stolen from. The only one within my immediate circle who weren't fleeced was my mom, who keeps her stuff in those "old lady" GIC's. Not much interest being made, but then again she doesn't lose all her principal either when the locusts salesmen once again come to call.

This is as indefensible a system to live under as communism was. And these evil m*******rs hiding behind "caveat emptor" (which only makes sense as a theory when the saleman isn't an active criminal) isn't good enough. If Margot Hoenecker and her ilk deserve to be put up against a wall then there's probably about a million bankers and brokers that completely deserve to be standing right next to her when the corrective solution is applied.


Quit whining you big baby. The stock market has picked up again, US economy is starting to rev up. Happy days are here again. Better get in now while you still can and go go go. You've just gotta learn to pull out in time, let the Muppets get fleeced, is all. Jeez, didn't being a teenager teach you anything?


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