[Mustang1]

stemmer stemmer:

When it comes to reliability people who earn their living from cars choose domestics over Jap crap... [PERIOD] end of discusion.... Crown Vics, Mercury Marquis, Impalas, etc are tough, reliable and cheap to maintain....

These mechanics I know are all friends, a brother and a cousin. One works with the police department, one is a fleet senior mechanic for a national rental chain, the other is shop foreman for Honda... They each have 30+ years in the automotive industry...

There's a good reason why Toyota Camry NASCAR uses a 9 inch Ford for it's rear end...

I guess you're bitching out of proving JD Power and Consumer Reports LONG TERM reliability studies wrong, huh? See, this is where "book" smarts abandons his/her stance because superior objective evidence renders it WRONG. You? "Hammer and Nail" smarts means keep pushing the flawed argument despite overwhelming evidence that it's full of crap.

Don't care who you know - domestic fleet arms made cheaper alternatives to Japanese. Period. It wasn't about quality, it was about quantity. And i don't care what your cousin, brother, dog or imaginary friend says. The industry standards have spoken and you're wrong. Deal with it.

[Mustang1]

stemmer stemmer:

And what is your point? The Big Three went to Japan after WWII to assist the Japanese auto industry...

The Toyota inline six used in the original Landcruisers was based upon the Chevy Blue Flame 6...!!!!

So?

And the Saturn Vue Redline had a Honda engine, ask your mechanic!!! Who cares. Domestics made unabashed pieces of crap, for the most part, over the last 15 years and customers have slowly answered with trips to Honda and Toyota

[Mustang1]

Gunnair Gunnair:

stemmer stemmer:

Reading about cars doesn't mean you know about them...

Knowing people that know about cars doesn't mean you know them...

And he proves that in spades...

[stemmer]

Read this - Toyota involved in the human trafficking of slave labourers from prisons in China and Burma...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/379 ... ota_prius/

[stemmer]

As I've said in the summer time I hand out with car enthusiasts. I go to car shows. Check out some of my photos I posted in the Photo section here...

I own a 48 year old Corvette that I've done 90% of the work myself...

[Mustang1]

Nothing on JD Power or Consumer Reports? Nothing on depreciation? Didn't think so. Take a break.

[herbie]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

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So?

And the Saturn Vue Redline had a Honda engine, ask your mechanic!!! Who cares. Domestics made unabashed pieces of crap, for the most part, over the last 15 years and customers have slowly answered with trips to Honda and Toyota

I know, that's what sealed the sale on mine.
I have a Honda engine (more HP plus better mileage than the 4 banger) with a plastic and stainless steel body that won't rot away in 5 years like a Honda. And it wasn't as ugly or as outrageously expensive as the Honda SUV.

The Big3 can learn.
And get reversed by the MORONS in top management every time.

But that doesn't exactly help your stubborn insistence that American cars are lower quality.

[stemmer]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Nothing on JD Power or Consumer Reports? Nothing on depreciation? Didn't think so. Take a break.

I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this...

I can point you towards publications that insist 'man did not land on the moon', 'JFK and Elvis are alive and well', 'Martians landed in Roswell, New Mexico'...

Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true.... Only you can decide in your own mind whether or not you believe it... So continue living in your fantasy world where you believe Americans and Canadians are so dumb & stupid they can not design or build cars.... It's not unlike the belief Negroes could not play baseball...

It is this fallacy that is causing the America and Canada to collapse from within...

[2Cdo]

stemmer stemmer:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Nothing on JD Power or Consumer Reports? Nothing on depreciation? Didn't think so. Take a break.

I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this...

I can point you towards publications that insist 'man did not land on the moon', 'JFK and Elvis are alive and well', 'Martians landed in Roswell, New Mexico'...

Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true.... Only you can decide in your own mind whether or not you believe it... So continue living in your fantasy world where you believe Americans and Canadians are so dumb & stupid they can not design or build cars.... It's not unlike the belief Negroes could not play baseball...

It is this fallacy that is causing the America and Canada to collapse from within...

Nobodies talking about publications printed by the companies but rather completely unbiased outside reporting by publications with no stake in car companies.

To equate poorly built North American cars with whether or not blacks can play baseball merely proves you are not willing to listen to anyone other than yourself and have a very poor grasp of reality. I've owned foreign and domestic and on average the foreign built cars are more solidly built with fewer recalls, have a better fit and finish, a more dependable power train, and hold on to their value better.

As for mentioning Barrett Jackson. None of those vehicles are "run of the mill" assembly line vehicles but are vehicles that represent thousands of hours work to get the car to collector status. It's like comparing apples to hyenas.

[Mustang1]

stemmer stemmer:

I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this...

Bullshit. Give me a list of reputable automobile magazines that have specifically noted that Domestics have had SUPERIOR reliability, dependability, quality and depreciation over the last 15 years. You made the claim, you back it up. And while you're defusing that bomb, why not tell us how so many (like JD Powers and Consumer Reports) erred.

$1:

I can point you towards publications that insist 'man did not land on the moon', 'JFK and Elvis are alive and well', 'Martians landed in Roswell, New Mexico'...

And they're wrong. Way to go, wiki, and while you're using your "hammer and nail" smarts those sites probably claim Chevrolet made better quality cars than Honda.

$1:

Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true.... Only you can decide in your own mind whether or not you believe it... So continue living in your fantasy world where you believe Americans and Canadians are so dumb & stupid they can not design or build cars.... It's not unlike the belief Negroes could not play baseball...

Oh good, more "hammer and nail" smarts at work. Actually, unlike xenophobic, ignoramuses like you, i don't buy into augmentative fallacies, use base emotional rhetoric or rely on anecdotal nonsense to make a point. I've got copious amount of industry work that all proves my point and you've done NOTHING to call those works into question. Squat. All you do is post anything, in the hopes that its something. Unless you can illustrate that C/D, Consumer Reports, Blue Book, The Globe and Mail Cars Section or JD Powers is wrong, park it, because i'm not here to witness your incessant rambling.

$1:

It is this fallacy that is causing the America and Canada to collapse from within...

No, comrade, its called free market (actually, a mixed one) where customers are free to chose products (not be bullied by xenophobic old farts) based on price, quality, dependability, reliability and depreciation and since the domestics have had difficulty delivering on those elements they've lost market share and customers. And no, i don't care what your cat thinks.

[Mustang1]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

stemmer stemmer:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Nothing on JD Power or Consumer Reports? Nothing on depreciation? Didn't think so. Take a break.

I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this...

I can point you towards publications that insist 'man did not land on the moon', 'JFK and Elvis are alive and well', 'Martians landed in Roswell, New Mexico'...

Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true.... Only you can decide in your own mind whether or not you believe it... So continue living in your fantasy world where you believe Americans and Canadians are so dumb & stupid they can not design or build cars.... It's not unlike the belief Negroes could not play baseball...

It is this fallacy that is causing the America and Canada to collapse from within...

Nobodies talking about publications printed by the companies but rather completely unbiased outside reporting by publications with no stake in car companies.

To equate poorly built North American cars with whether or not blacks can play baseball merely proves you are not willing to listen to anyone other than yourself and have a very poor grasp of reality. I've owned foreign and domestic and on average the foreign built cars are more solidly built with fewer recalls, have a better fit and finish, a more dependable power train, and hold on to their value better.

As for mentioning Barrett Jackson. None of those vehicles are "run of the mill" assembly line vehicles but are vehicles that represent thousands of hours work to get the car to collector status. It's like comparing apples to hyenas.

And not only that, but this hypocrite actually quoted Consumer Reports when he thought it helped prove his point. He's got NOTHING, but he'll tell you what to buy, as if he's the final arbiter on cars.

[Mustang1]

herbie herbie:

But that doesn't exactly help your stubborn insistence that American cars are lower quality.

Prove me wrong then. Instead of merely chirping from the sidelines YOU provide the industry proof that American cars have been better quality over the last 15 years than then their Japanese counterparts. Start with the Accord and Civic. Have fun.

[stemmer]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

herbie herbie:

But that doesn't exactly help your stubborn insistence that American cars are lower quality.

Prove me wrong then. Instead of merely chirping from the sidelines YOU provide the industry proof that American cars have been better quality over the last 15 years than then their Japanese counterparts. Start with the Accord and Civic. Have fun.

I have provided proof. One being the taxi industry and other service industries...

Ever listen to the Lemon-Aid guy, Phil Edmonston? He once said if you want to find out is a reliable car just what taxi drivers operate. And he went on to recommend RWD GM & Fords cars...

He also alleges Toyota and Honda's quality is slipping lately as they are riding on their past reputation. He also warned of transmission and engine problems with Toyota and Nissan...

If you don't believe me then just google Phil Edmonston AND taxis...

As far as being xenophobic...you are the on saying North Americans can not design or build a car as good as Europeans or Asians... You are the one saying North Americans are inferior... So if you claim I'm xenophobic then I call you for what you are... a bigot and unpatriotic twerp....

[Mustang1]

stemmer stemmer:

I have provided proof. One being the taxi industry and other service industries...

Ever listen to the Lemon-Aid guy, Phil Edmonston? He once said if you want to find out is a reliable car just what taxi drivers operate. And he went on to recommend RWD GM & Fords cars...

If you don't believe me then just google Phil Edmonston AND taxis...

What?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOO evidence?!?!? NONE? Big Shockeroo on that one! This is where you admit you got shoveling a big heaping pile of horse crap.

Didn't you write, "I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this.."? And said "magazine articles" are where? And would Phil say that Domestics have been superior to Honda and Toyota over the last 10 years in terms of reliability, dependability and quality? Bull again. What a joke.

And didn't i respond with, "Give me a list of reputable automobile magazines that have specifically noted that Domestics have had SUPERIOR reliability, dependability, quality and depreciation over the last 15 years. You made the claim, you back it up. And while you're defusing that bomb, why not tell us how so many (like JD Powers and Consumer Reports) erred."? You're done.

$1:

As far as being xenophobic...you are the on saying North Americans can not design or build a car as good as Europeans or Asians... You are the one saying North Americans are inferior... So if you claim I'm xenophobic then I call you for what you are... a bigot and unpatriotic twerp....

Thanks xenophobe for unleashing those "hammer and nail" smarts again. You got caught in a lie and instead of admitting you made it up or actually challenging my sources, you acted like a little whiny bitch. I guess us "twerps" have little time for uneducated morons like you. Go talk to your cats grandpa and reminisce about the good ole' days when you could clamor for residential schools, throw insults at homosexuals and blame them "foreigners" for wreckin' the good stuff for everyone else. You're done. Again.

[stemmer]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

stemmer stemmer:

I have provided proof. One being the taxi industry and other service industries...

Ever listen to the Lemon-Aid guy, Phil Edmonston? He once said if you want to find out is a reliable car just what taxi drivers operate. And he went on to recommend RWD GM & Fords cars...

If you don't believe me then just google Phil Edmonston AND taxis...

What?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOO evidence?!?!? NONE? Big Shockeroo on that one! This is where you admit you got shoveling a big heaping pile of horse crap.

Didn't you write, "I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this.."? And said "magazine articles" are where? And would Phil say that Domestics have been superior to Honda and Toyota over the last 10 years in terms of reliability, dependability and quality? Bull again. What a joke.

And didn't i respond with, "Give me a list of reputable automobile magazines that have specifically noted that Domestics have had SUPERIOR reliability, dependability, quality and depreciation over the last 15 years. You made the claim, you back it up. And while you're defusing that bomb, why not tell us how so many (like JD Powers and Consumer Reports) erred."? You're done.

$1:

As far as being xenophobic...you are the on saying North Americans can not design or build a car as good as Europeans or Asians... You are the one saying North Americans are inferior... So if you claim I'm xenophobic then I call you for what you are... a bigot and unpatriotic twerp....

Thanks xenophobe for unleashing those "hammer and nail" smarts again. You got caught in a lie and instead of admitting you made it up or actually challenging my sources, you acted like a little whiny bitch. I guess us "twerps" have little time for uneducated morons like you. Go talk to your cats grandpa and reminisce about the good ole' days when you could clamor for residential schools, throw insults at homosexuals and blame them "foreigners" for wreckin' the good stuff for everyone else. You're done. Again.

I gave you the proof, Lemon Aid. Just google Phil Edmonston AND taxi or Lemon Aid AND Toyota engine sludge or Lemon Aid AND Toyoto quality...Find the link yourself as I'm sure any link I provide you will dismiss...