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martin14 martin14:

mtpockets mtpockets:

Martin/Ziggy:

I put it to you that fish don't necessarily know what constitutes 200 miles offshore or not. They happily swim back and forth across the boundary lines, oblivious to the danger from the big, bad trawlers. As custodians of this resource we would be remiss in ignoring the EU's threat to these stocks. Do you actually think these foreign trawlers repect our 200 mile limit? Why do you think DFO patrols these waters constantly, looking out for violators?

1. Be happy you have 200 miles.. the rest of the world lives with 12.
Brought to you by the Canadian government.

And why wouldn't Canada bring it to us? Are we not part of the fold?

2. Do you think the Newfoundland navy could do a better job of patrolling
the waters ? And how do you propose to pay for such things ?

What's this now? A Newfoundland Navy? When did this come into effect? Oh, wait...you're trying to make a funny...lol!!! Who says Newfoundland has to go alone? You might be surprised at the number of ways a region can adapt to adversity and challenges. Not like we haven't faced them in the past.

3. Are you willing to admit the inshore fisherman are just as responsible
for the destruction of the fish stocks ?

No, not for a minute. The fishery survived for over 500 years. The people kept this tradition alive until the late '60's early '70's when Russian trawlers started showing up on our shores. The Portuguese and Spanish also contributed greatly to the lower cod stocks. This daily onslaught on the spawning grounds served to decimate this industry...not just an industry but an important part of the food chain, a life sustaining force, a gift from the earth that greed took away. And do you know why these trawlers suddenly appeared in such numbers? Now here's the kicker...it was a trade agreement between Canada and the European nations that allowed Canada to trade wheat to Europe while they came over here and had at 'er off the coast of Newfoundland. Canada, we were glad to help. Overjoyed really to help put money in the mtpockets of the poor farmers out west. But your negotiations, whether intentional or otherwise, were way off course. That's why we'll never trust you to act on our behalf again. And that is the crux of what this debate is about.

The inshore fishermen up until the 70's and early '80's were using methods of catching fish that went back hundreds of years, a system that sustained this industry. But greed is a powerful force. It destroys everything in it's path.

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ziggy ziggy:

Their not overfishing in "Canada's" waters so what's your problem?

You?

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Thanos Thanos:

I highly doubt that any of the anti-Maritimer attitude and policy that's stifled the economy of the Atlantic provinces since about, oh say, 1868, originated in Alberta, BC, or any of the other frontier provinces that've been royally and continuously screwed over by Ottawa just as badly as Newfoundland's ever been.

If Newfoundlanders have a problem with the way they've been treated maybe they should discuss the issue with some of their former MP's, like Mr. George Baker, who quite willingly made themselves subservient to federal Liberal policy for over sixty years. I'll be ther first to say that Stephen Harper is incredibly polarizing, but it smells pretty fucking fishy to me when Harper is given the blame for allegedly souring the federal/Newfoundland relationship while Liberal PM's since St. Laurent get a free pass.

Mix all this naked anti-Alberta bias with the deafening silence on Liberal responsibility together and this thread looks like just another anti-Harper/anti-Conservative smear-job to me.

Tell me something. How the hell can I take you serious with that thing in your hand? Don't worry, we won't leave out the rest of the country. We have plenty of beefs with Quebec and Ontario too. It's just not their turn yet...capish?

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bootlegga bootlegga:

mtpockets mtpockets:

I once wanted a stronger Canada too, until I woke up and realized it's a pipe dream that will never happen. Oh, it might have happened if the system worked according to plan. But a central government that serves to strengthen areas like Ontario and Alberta while Atlantic Canada scrambles to gather the few scraps that trickle down from above...well you can keep that Canada. It does nothing to build cohesion, it does nothing to foster strength and stability. It does, however, serve to divide and create discension. A quick browse through CKA bears that out completely.

So now I'm fighting for a better future for my home province. A future that doesn't rely on the whims and political manoeverings of a federal government.

You can talk trash about Alberta and Ontario when your province starts actually paying into the transfer payment system, instead of sucking at the proverbial teat for more than five decades...

Man, this country has taken more out of Newfoundland than you'll ever be able to repay.

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Brenda Brenda:

mtpockets mtpockets:

Brenda Brenda:

You realize I charge $ 250/hr?

Will you take that in Canadian Tire money?

You want "made in China" treatment?

Don't go out of your way. Any old treatment will do.

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ziggy ziggy:

I've worked and lived with Newfies for so many years that I even picked up the accent me bye.
When I come back from a ringer or dragging up me Mom allways ask's me "Why are yeh talkin like a Newfie bye"?

Thats cuz of where I was too mom.

How endearing. Would you like me to clap like a seal now?

[RUEZ]

mtpockets mtpockets:

Man, this country has taken more out of Newfoundland than you'll ever be able to repay.

Do tell?

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Goober_McGee Goober_McGee:

sorry, but WTF?!

Newfoundlander jokes are just harmless ribbing from brother Canadians, do you think Westerners, Albertans especially, aren't the brunt of jokes, some of which aren't harmless at all? Anti-Harper/Anti-Conservative sentiment always seems to get directed at Alberta, but do you think we can just elect Liberal MP's and governments
after the NEP? By some practically divine luck Alberta gets some oil and gas resources and in one fell swoop it's taken away. Alberta and the rest of the west are treated as colonies by Eastern Canada. The West wants to show that we're equal members in the Canadian Federation with the ability to contribute, not have everything taken away from us without so much as a thank you.

The fisheries drying up isn't just the federal government's fault, but the provincial government of Newfoundland's and foreign fishers as well. Everyone dropped the ball on that one.

If you don't like the way the federal government works, do something to change it. That's the beauty of a free and democratic society, you can work to change it without threatening separation. Working together will get more done with a better outcome than just having everyone doing their own thing and infighting. A decent, unbiased education in the history and the various cultures of Canada would benefit all the provinces and ultimately Canada immensely. No more provincial and cultural divides if there was an understanding of where the other was coming from.

Alberta and Newfoundland have more in common than anyone would think.

tl;dr We're all Canadian it'd be easier to work together than to work selfishly for one's own interest.

/end rant

You know what buddy? You are the first one to make any sense. Thank you. While I agree with most of your rant, I don't know if I fully agree with you on one issue. Tell me how the government of Newfoundland is at fault for the losses in the fishery. I grew up around the fishery. My father was a fisherman and he tried his best to get me involved but I saw the writing on the wall even as a young boy. There was a time when the fish were so large a grown man could hold a fish by the head as high as he could and the tail would touch the bottom of the boat. That's a cod over 6' long! Almost enough to feed a small community...one fish. That lose will never be forgotten.

I agree, if you don't like the way the federal government works you should do something. And this is what I'm doing. The word will continue to go out until it falls on listening ears. Your ideas on educating Canadians on the differing regions of the country is a good one. I'm not sure what the curriculum is in school these days but you can bet a 12 year old in BC is not learning about the lobster industry in Nova Scotia or the Newfoundland pony population.

And I can still take a Newfie joke if it's done with taste and class.

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RUEZ RUEZ:

mtpockets mtpockets:

Man, this country has taken more out of Newfoundland than you'll ever be able to repay.

Do tell?

Look it up.

[RUEZ]

mtpockets mtpockets:

RUEZ RUEZ:

mtpockets mtpockets:

Man, this country has taken more out of Newfoundland than you'll ever be able to repay.

Do tell?

Look it up.

Just as I thought, you're making this shit up as you go along and you can't back it up. Are you done wetting your pants yet?

[Brenda]

mtpockets mtpockets:

You know what buddy? You are the first one to make any sense. Thank you. While I agree with most of your rant, I don't know if I fully agree with you on one issue. Tell me how the government of Newfoundland is at fault for the losses in the fishery. I grew up around the fishery. My father was a fisherman and he tried his best to get me involved but I saw the writing on the wall even as a young boy. There was a time when the fish were so large a grown man could hold a fish by the head as high as he could and the tail would touch the bottom of the boat. That's a cod over 6' long! Almost enough to feed a small community...one fish. That lose will never be forgotten.

Every fishing country has quota. Didn't you know that? Holland does, Norway does, Iceland does. Just to make sure we don't fish our oceans empty. The time of the big fish are gone why? Because of overfishing....

$1:

I agree, if you don't like the way the federal government works you should do something. And this is what I'm doing. The word will continue to go out until it falls on listening ears. Your ideas on educating Canadians on the differing regions of the country is a good one. I'm not sure what the curriculum is in school these days but you can bet a 12 year old in BC is not learning about the lobster industry in Nova Scotia or the Newfoundland pony population.

Nor did you learn anything about the lumberindustry of BC, right?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think kids learn more about their COUNTRY than you think...

$1:

And I can still take a Newfie joke if it's done with taste and class.

Good, you are gonna need it here, even when it is done tasteless

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mtpockets mtpockets:

Man, this country has taken more out of Newfoundland than you'll ever be able to repay.

Do tell?[/quote]
Look it up.[/quote]
Just as I thought, you're making this shit up as you go along and you can't back it up. Are you done wetting your pants yet?[/quote]
Making what shit up? Do your own damned research. If there's something I'm stating and you don't agree, show me the errors of my words. Otherwise, back to your corner.

Wet my pants...sheesh...I'm just getting started. Being attacked by a nest of vipers on CKA is not even going to draw a bead of sweat from my brow.

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Brenda Brenda:

Every fishing country has quota. Didn't you know that? Holland does, Norway does, Iceland does. Just to make sure we don't fish our oceans empty. The time of the big fish are gone why? Because of overfishing....

Now you're getting it.

$1:

Nor did you learn anything about the lumberindustry of BC, right?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think kids learn more about their COUNTRY than you think...

I might have learned about the lumber industry in BC but I'm not sure if the kids today are. I'd have to check. I'd be surprised if they were. Maybe a short statistic on exports or something of that nature.

Good, you are gonna need it here, even when it is done tasteless

A good joke with class and taste is very funny at times. However, jokes that strike at the heart of a people or their land or their way of life is not funny. I don't belittle other people and I expect the same in return. It's not that hard really. Some on this site should try it sometime. You might get a little more respect.

[RUEZ]

mtpockets mtpockets:

Making what shit up? Do your own damned research. If there's something I'm stating and you don't agree, show me the errors of my words. Otherwise, back to your corner.

Actually it's the responsibility of the person making the claim to back it up with proof. Not the people he's making the claim to. Since you've refused to do that you are nothing more than a liar.

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lily lily:

Is there such a thing as a tasteful classy newfie joke?

If so, it's probably not very funny.

Sure there are. And if you had a real sense of humour I'd tell you one. But the ones you like depict Newfoundlanders in a negative light, right? Sorry, yeah, those are tasteless and not very classy at all. Usually told by dimwitted individuals who like to boost their self-esteem.