[EyeBrock]

Delayed pioneer, I have to say I like that!

[Brenda]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Too many new 'Canadians' don't give a fuck about what happened in Canada and to Canadians before they landed at the airport.

I call bullshit here.

For whatever reason this has turned into a dump on immigrants thread and your decision to hop in the bandwagon is particularly ironic given the ire you show on the comparable dump on the cops threads that show up from time to time.

As I said earlier, Esquimalt has a population if around 16000 and I bet about 14000 of those won't be at the cenotaph this Sunday.

Guess I'll hop on the knee jerk immigrants don't give a shit about Canada bandwagon and guess those 14000 are immigrants.

Unbelievable.

Where I live is very diverse. I see 99% white faces in the crowd at every Remembrance Day.

I'm not making this an anti-immigrant thing. I'm saying we are not doing a good job in educating newcomers about our heritage and history.

I think it depends on when you came here. As a child (or a history buff, of course ) you just will have more "feeling" with it.
I grew up with May 4th and 5th, and I will keep honoring that. I will stay silent at 8 pm on May 4th, just because I understand that. I "feel" that.

I don't "feel" Halloween either. (I know, disrespectful comparison but it is a North American tradition and not a Dutch one)

My kids have more with Remembrance Day, Christmas with gifts (we used to celebrate Sinterklaas on Dec 5th) or Halloween...

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Too many new 'Canadians' don't give a fuck about what happened in Canada and to Canadians before they landed at the airport.

I call bullshit here.

For whatever reason this has turned into a dump on immigrants thread and your decision to hop in the bandwagon is particularly ironic given the ire you show on the comparable dump on the cops threads that show up from time to time.

As I said earlier, Esquimalt has a population if around 16000 and I bet about 14000 of those won't be at the cenotaph this Sunday.

Guess I'll hop on the knee jerk immigrants don't give a shit about Canada bandwagon and guess those 14000 are immigrants.

Unbelievable.

Where I live is very diverse. I see 99% white faces in the crowd at every Remembrance Day.

I'm not making this an anti-immigrant thing. I'm saying we are not doing a good job in educating newcomers about our heritage and history.

You did make it anti-immigration.

You could have instead made a far more accurate observation and apply it to Canadians in general, but opted instead to focus your attention on those fellows hoping off the airplane.

Frankly, I find it rather interesting that people dump on immigrants here who have not instantly embraced Canadian culture and rushed out to Rememberance Day yet all of those Canucks born here who do the same get the by from the usual commenters.

Quick to judge here, EB. Ironic.

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda Brenda:

Unfortunately your likely right and the only way we're ever going to get these kids to understand what Remembrance Day stands for and why we conduct it is to start educating them in how Canada was formed, why we fought and the sacrifices people made to ensure our and other nations freedoms.

What makes you think that that is not done?[/quote]


Because I'm old enough to remember the 50's when I was a kid and if what my Grandkids, neices and nephews told me is remotely true, we had alot more insttruction about Remembrance Day taught to us than they ever did.

BTW we had to attend the Ceremonies because it wasn't a stat holiday where I grew up, so our teachers, alot of whom were Veterans themselves ensured we understood what we were attending which is something that should be happening today for the kids that want to attend these Ceremonies .

The whole Remembrance Day thing seems to have gone south during the Anti War era of the 60's and early 70's when the only people who'd attend Ceremonies were the Military, Veterans, a few civilians and the loud vocal anti war protesters determined to upstage the Ceremonies and I can actually remember attending ceremonies where the protesters had a larger marching contingent than the Military.

[Gunnair]

Well, let's not ignore the obvious. The vast majority of the population is very disconnected from the vets of any war unless of course they have relatives how have served and fought. Add to that, this country has not truly shared in the experience of war since WWII. Since that communal sacrifice where the whole country focused on winning a conflict, all wars have been on the social and economic periphery. People generally don't have a stake in the efforts of the vets since then.

Let's face it, people can't generally empathize with the sacrifices of the vets when they've never been required to sacrifice in the name of conflict.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Brenda Brenda:

Unfortunately your likely right and the only way we're ever going to get these kids to understand what Remembrance Day stands for and why we conduct it is to start educating them in how Canada was formed, why we fought and the sacrifices people made to ensure our and other nations freedoms.

What makes you think that that is not done?

Because I'm old enough to remember the 50's when I was a kid and if what my Grandkids, neices and nephews told me is remotely true, we had alot more insttruction about Remembrance Day taught to us than they ever did.[/quote] Of course. Times have changed. What was fresh in your days is 70 years ago now...

$1:

BTW we had to attend the Ceremonies because it wasn't a stat holiday where I grew up, so our teachers, alot of whom were Veterans themselves ensured we understood what we were attending which is something that should be happening today for the kids that want to attend these Ceremonies .

Well, instead of blaming immigrants for being disconnected or "wanting to do away with Canadian traditions", maybe you should have kept the vets alive so they can teach all us ignorant folk.
Again, BOTH my kids (high school and elementary) attended a ceremony today. Did you see what my youngest made?
My high school kid had a few of the military guys from the regiment here come to her school today and talk/teach/discuss/be part of the ceremony.

$1:

The whole Remembrance Day thing seems to have gone south during the Anti War era of the 60's and early 70's when the only people who'd attend Ceremonies were the Military, Veterans, a few civilians and the loud vocal anti war protesters determined to upstage the Ceremonies and I can actually remember attending ceremonies where the protesters had a larger marching contingent than the Military.

That's a bit weird, imo, but I have heard about people here wanting to protest a ceremony at a Cenotaph. I don't get that. I think it's stupid.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

:evil:
Rememberance Day is about the most important reason that Canada is THE CANADA that the immigrants 'supposedly' CHOSE to leave their countries of birth, and come here for. Yet, so often, they come here, and the first order is to grab onto all the freebies that we so generously offer to them, all the while denying our Veterans, and then they- many immigrant groups-proceed to point the barrel of human rights, and freedoms at us in order to change the 'Canadian way' to 'whatever way' they were supposedly escaping!

Again, wtf does this have to do with immigrants? Which immigrants are you alluding to that didn't want their kids to attend Remembrance Day?

It's been interesting reading thru the last few pages of comments from posters such as yourself who know fuck all about the reason behind the opt-out decision!I expected nothing less from you.
From Gunny, I certainly expected more than a 'shoot from the lip' reaction. And Brenda, GO BACK and read my original post carefully, then drop the feigned indignation. It's beneath you.

Question: How many of the Posters on this thread have included in their circle of close personal friends, and fishing buddies, an Official of an ALBERTA PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM?



That many! WOW! I thought so!

[martin14]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Frankly, I find it rather interesting that people dump on immigrants here who have not instantly embraced Canadian culture and rushed out to Rememberance Day yet all of those Canucks born here who do the same get the by from the usual commenters.

I don't give them a bye, I think everyone should go.
Especially the kids.

But it's you who turn a blind eye to it by shrugging your shoulders and
saying ' oh well, if they don't want to go, fine. '

It's not fine.
People should learn about how much their freedom actually costs.

[martin14]

Yogi Yogi:

Question: How many of the Posters on this thread have included in their circle of close personal friends, and fishing buddies, an Official of an ALBERTA PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM?

You hang out with a worm ?



just kidding..


So, how much booze do we need to buy him so your bud can start swinging the hammer
around the schools ?

Jeez, Yogi, no zeros, and now walking away from Remembrance Day ?

Seriously, wtf is going on over there ?

[Public_Domain]

[Yogi]

martin14 martin14:

Yogi Yogi:

Question: How many of the Posters on this thread have included in their circle of close personal friends, and fishing buddies, an Official of an ALBERTA PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM?

You hang out with a worm ?



just kidding..


So, how much booze do we need to buy him so your bud can start swinging the hammer
around the schools ?

Jeez, Yogi, no zeros, and now walking away from Remembrance Day ?

Seriously, wtf is going on over there ?

Like 'he' says, " Even the Mayor only gets one vote"!

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, instead of blaming immigrants for being disconnected or "wanting to do away with Canadian traditions", maybe you should have kept the vets alive so they can teach all us ignorant folk.
Again, BOTH my kids (high school and elementary) attended a ceremony today. Did you see what my youngest made?

Have you got me confused with someone else? When the fuck did I ever say anything about immigrants? But then again your snide remarks may just make me rethink my postion on the subject of ignorant folk, immigrant or not.

So before this turns into a giant pissing contest allow me to say, I'm glad your kids got to meet some Military members and attend a Remembrance Day Ceremony and I wish all kids would be able to do the same because without this happening the whole premise of Remembrance Day will die.

And yes it would have been nice to have been able to keep all those Vets alive but it wouldn't have been to educate you immigrants about Remembrance Day like you claim. It would have been to keep our parents and grandparents with us to enrich our lives, I guess we're just selfish, eh.

[EyeBrock]

Oh Gunny! Why so angry all the time?

[ShepherdsDog]

paaaaaaaaaaternity suit.

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Frankly, I find it rather interesting that people dump on immigrants here who have not instantly embraced Canadian culture and rushed out to Rememberance Day yet all of those Canucks born here who do the same get the by from the usual commenters.

I don't give them a bye, I think everyone should go.
Especially the kids.

But it's you who turn a blind eye to it by shrugging your shoulders and
saying ' oh well, if they don't want to go, fine. '

It's not fine.
People should learn about how much their freedom actually costs.

Aye they should. The irony is forcing someeone against their will to remember those who fought for their freedom - to not give a shit.

I guess allowing someone to exercise their freedom is indeed turning a blind eye, eh?

I'm not sure how much more silly you can get and I'm wondering what the grand plan is for making the people go. I say again, make them go.

Waiting to be enlightened...