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ASLplease
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:41 am
derby, it all depends how you define 'support'. i agree that there wont be a mass exodus of people joining the conservatives over this issue, but the conservatives will certainly be scoring some points from this vote.
we now have it on record that iggy supports the registry, imo he always has, but up until recently iggy has been pretty successful at avoiding the topic.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:47 am
ASLplease ASLplease: derby, it all depends how you define 'support'. i agree that there wont be a mass exodus of people joining the conservatives over this issue, but the conservatives will certainly be scoring some points from this vote.
we now have it on record that iggy supports the registry, imo he always has, but up until recently iggy has been pretty successful at avoiding the topic. With who? The people who already hate the Libs? What about the NDP? If this issue is the big urban vs rural split that Harper has been touting then as the article states Harper has more to fear from losing urban support then the Libs/NDP have from losing rural support. The Liberals have a huge chunk of their support directly from Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. They aren't losing support over the registry there. In fact other then out east the Libs get almost all their support from urban ridings. Most NDP supporters aren't going to go against their ideology over the registry issue. Will the CPC score points? Sure but so what? They whipped their vote too. The Libs will score points for their unity and their willingness to take a stand and the NDP will score points. Everybody will score points. The question is will this issue cause people to change their votes? My guess is not enough to make any real difference and its very likely the "net" movement will be close to zero.
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ASLplease
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:54 am
with who? i have belief that a large number of ndp supporter are there for pro-labour beliefs....the ones that are blue collar rural voters often enjoy sports like hunting. this is a voting dilema for them.
heck, i've voted for ndp and liberal in past elections. take away the gun registry, and you take away one reason why i dont want to vote for them again.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:59 am
ASLplease ASLplease: with who? i have belief that a large number of ndp supporter are there for pro-labour beliefs....the ones that are blue collar rural voters often enjoy sports like hunting. this is a voting dilema for them.
heck, i've voted for ndp and liberal in past elections. take away the gun registry, and you take away one reason why i dont want to vote for them again. Sorry but you have never voted Liberal in your life. You may have voted NDP but for reasons we both know I won't elaborate openly. Again, my pasted article examines the potential loss of support for all three parties. Everybody seems to think the public will galvanize behind the things they support. It just never works that way. Just because you feel strongly for something doesn't mean it translates to nationwide support. The Libs did not lose support because of bringing in the registry. They certainly aren't going to be losing it for trying to keep it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:01 am
DerbyX DerbyX: EyeBrock EyeBrock: Wow, quite the cut'n'paste!
We'll see Derby. Iggy never popped by to see me, just the party faithful like you. Did Harper drop by for high tea at your place? Did you serve crumpets or cucumber sandwiches? Its a long C&P but its also a good read. I like the 308 blog. He does a good job at giving a fair and balanced report. I just thought this piece was a damn good counter for anybody thinking this registry spells some sort of death knell for the Libs and NDP when the facts say quite a different thing. Personally I doubt this issue will be any real factor. It just isn't that hot an issue despite the enormous attention its garnered from our MPs. Stevey can see better now with his specs and he kept checking out my wife from the corner of his eye while he was supping Boddingtons....
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:04 am
I figured Harper as a lager man. Imported English Ale or Irish stout seems so elitist. I've had friends that thought they were so cool by drinking Guinness. Plonkers all of them. ![Drink up [B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif)
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:09 am
I'm actually part of the elite Baird was frothing at the mouth about. I'm as posh as fuck me.
Personally I think Guinness tastes like shite, despite being half-Irish.
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ASLplease
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:10 am
actually, i voted liberal on the election where free trade was the hot issue. and, i voted one more time for them when they extended the home buyers plan indefinitely. but you are correct, i dont see many people switching. i didnt mean to imply otherwise, except this is a hot topic and i was mostly trying to point out that it will be on voters minds. DerbyX DerbyX: ASLplease ASLplease: with who? i have belief that a large number of ndp supporter are there for pro-labour beliefs....the ones that are blue collar rural voters often enjoy sports like hunting. this is a voting dilema for them.
heck, i've voted for ndp and liberal in past elections. take away the gun registry, and you take away one reason why i dont want to vote for them again. Sorry but you have never voted Liberal in your life. You may have voted NDP but for reasons we both know I won't elaborate openly. Again, my pasted article examines the potential loss of support for all three parties. Everybody seems to think the public will galvanize behind the things they support. It just never works that way. Just because you feel strongly for something doesn't mean it translates to nationwide support. The Libs did not lose support because of bringing in the registry. They certainly aren't going to be losing it for trying to keep it.
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ASLplease
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:14 am
ps, i think they lost the election on the free trade. did you know i never once voted mulroney?
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ASLplease
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:16 am
DerbyX DerbyX: I figured Harper as a lager man. Imported English Ale or Irish stout seems so elitist. I've had friends that thought they were so cool by drinking Guinness. Plonkers all of them. ![Drink up [B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif) Harper listens to the stones. he'll drink any beer flavoured beer, as dennis leary would say
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:22 am
Everyone who drives a properly Licensed Vehicle on the street is a Criminal, I don't see any reason why a Gun Owner shouldn't be one too.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:26 am
sandorski sandorski: Everyone who drives a properly Licensed Vehicle on the street is a Criminal, I don't see any reason why a Gun Owner shouldn't be one too. Now if you are going to comment on a legal matter, you should get the terms right sand. Breaching a provincial statute is not a criminal offence. Criminal offences are are in the criminal code. Driving with or without a licence or insurance isn't a criminal offence.
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ASLplease
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:31 am
sandorski sandorski: Everyone who drives a properly Licensed Vehicle on the street is a Criminal, I don't see any reason why a Gun Owner shouldn't be one too. you are not allowed to randomly pull over a known gang member that may have unregistered guns in his trunk, but a law abiding gun collector can be randomly inspected provided that due notice is given c68 was written by a bunch of misguided politicians, makes me wonder how many officials are still on the payroll with organized crime3.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:46 am
sandorski sandorski: Everyone who drives a properly Licensed Vehicle on the street is a Criminal, I don't see any reason why a Gun Owner shouldn't be one too. One thing that you don't realize or maybe didn't know, before the registry legislation all us gun owners had our FAC. Every firearm purchased in Canada was recorded by the gun seller with all the purchasers and the firearms particulars including our FAC numbers. (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) You had to take a firearms safety course to get an FAC and have a records check done by the RCMP. Now, if all this information was recorded by gun shops and the like, the information was submitted to the government, all us gun owners were licenced to purchase firearms with our FAC's not to mention that our hunting licences were also carrying permits, why the hell did we need to waste all this money to accomplish what we already had in place? None of us gun owners were criminals under the old system, but overnight we became them if we disagreed with the government legislation. (It's also our democratic right to openly disagree with our governments stand on any issue, just in this case we were made into criminals overnight because of it.)
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:16 am
It's a good question QBC.
The whole thing has been handled very badly. The old system didn't get any information out to the police on the beat. But surely that could have been done if they had just upgraded the FAC system, added in the training portion and tweaked a few other bits to make it do-able?
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