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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:36 pm
 


Bodah Bodah:
I dont blame the people of Caledonia for trying to set up an militia. I would do the same if came home one day and found a group of strangers sitting on what I thought was my deck, claiming it was theirs first and now there going to turn it into shit.

I dont care what the beef is get the fuck off my deck.

I don't either. Two groups caused this problem, the natives, and the people tasked with enforcing the laws. It's unfortunate that the citizens have to resort to this.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:45 pm
 


Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Really? I'd say I've got $126 Million reasons to debate that.


I'm curious, and I'll even be nice.

What 126 million dollars?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:19 pm
 


The Peguis Band in Manitoba was given 126 million, in compensation for land illegally seized, land that is mostly now Selkirk. Now let's see how they put that money to work, or if it'll be squandered.

It must be added that history backed up their claims as did the courts, unlike Caledonia, and the Band members didn't resort terrorism, unlike the Caledonia Mohawks.





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:03 am
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
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Unfortunately the crown, and ultimately you, are responsible for the poor decision making and ethnocentric nature of your people from the moment you signed treaty up until now.

We may not be able to recapture the 200 years or more we lost because we were confined to our reserves living under corrupt Indian agents who pilfered our lands and denied us the opportunity to join your way of living unless we renounced our Indian status.

But we will, at every opportunity hold you accountable for those mistakes - and more importantly in your courts and on your terms we are doing just that.



Corruption, crime, alcoholism is still rampant in your community. Who's responsible for that?



Actually my communtiy has low crime and almost zero corruption. Are you prejudging my community based on your racist views?





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:04 am
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
You say it's time to "pay up"...I'd strongly suggest you and your people not try to collect. Numbers are not in your favour.


Perhaps our numbers are not. But the law is.

You file your taxes yet? lol :lol:





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:05 am
 


Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
where does this 125 million figure keep coming from?


Manitoba land claims settlement last week.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:26 am
 


Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PJB PJB:
Donny...What,exactly, is rightfully yours?


I have a constitutionally protected right to have the agreements that your grandfathers made to mine honoured.

You have the right to live in this country because I honour my end of the bargain, to share this land with you.

My rights and obligations and just as legally binding as yours are.

Unfortunately the crown, and ultimately you, are responsible for the poor decision making and ethnocentric nature of your people from the moment you signed treaty up until now.

We may not be able to recapture the 200 years or more we lost because we were confined to our reserves living under corrupt Indian agents who pilfered our lands and denied us the opportunity to join your way of living unless we renounced our Indian status.

But we will, at every opportunity hold you accountable for those mistakes - and more importantly in your courts and on your terms we are doing just that.

I have no intention of letting bygones be bygones as long as our standards of living and our employment rates and our levels of health lag behind that of non-Aboriginals.

And I have said may ties that our people have alot of work to do ourselves. But the time that you get to dictate our progress has passed. The days that we accept your words and promises and fail to hold you accountable for every blade of grass that you own because of our generosity has ended.

Our forefathers envisioned us sharing this land and traveling down the river as two equal, but separate people in seperate canoes. Turns out that as we helped you and made promises to you - promises that you were required to make through your own laws, your people stole, and defrauded and hindered our participation in the building of the civilization that you claim that we do not care to participate in today.

My grandfather fought beside your grandfathers for Canada in WW2. In return he was sent back to the reserve as a pauper, poor, same as he was when he went to fight for the freedom of all of us. In the meantime your grandfathers enjoyed land grants, credit, pensions...

And you chastise me and the rest of us people who are descendents our noble grandfathers like you have some sort of honour or integrity left after 150+ years of assimilation, greed and apartheid?

Today our victories are not sentimental, emotional or gifts from the Crown or you out of kindness. They are legal proceedings with actual legal consequences resulting from the innate dishonesty that your culture seems to be inflicted with.

And I don’t apologise for the state of my people today. We are responsible for our own rebuilding. But that includes holding each and every Canadian liable for every shred or harm that has ever been inflicted on us and our forefathers.

What is rightfully mine? It is rightfully mine to hold you and every Canadian accountable for the land you live on and to the original keepers of this land.



What happens, as in the case of the Mohawks, if your grandfathers sold the land off? Any different than my United Empire Loyalist grandfathers selling their land off that was given at the same time for the same reason?

This is not 'treaty' land.

These were land grants given to all those who fought for the British in the American Revolutionary War.

The Mohawks were given land which they in time, sold off.
The United Empire Loyalists were given land, which they in time sold off.

What's the difference? Or is it just a skin colour thing?

Facts are facts and the Mohawks are immigrants just like those Loyal Americans that fled the 13 Colonies.

We have gone over this so many times yet you just can't grasp the facts because they don't suit your agenda.

This is not Manitoba.

This is Ontario with an entirely different history which you quite obviously are ignorant of and are unwilling to learn about.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:39 am
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
I think you missed the point. If your people were going about this the right way and through the courts only there wouldn't be stories about the assaults and illegal roadblocks. Or stories about residents setting up malitias.


I went to this seminar in Bannff at the collage there.

The lawyer seemed like a typical scumbag sob. I took him for a drink and he started chatting about a claim in northern Alberta. When he graduated law school the band offered him 20% of whatever the settlement was. He told him that he would charg them per hour and not tae the 20%, but if they were short of cash he would collect when they got a settlement. And if they didn't then his services were for free.

The band got tens of millions. My new best friend got $180 an hour for his work plus his expenses.

They started in 1975 and finished in 2003. His contact at the band was the grandchild of the man he made the agreement with.

That was a fast one.





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:41 am
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
I don't either. Two groups caused this problem, the natives, and the people tasked with enforcing the laws. It's unfortunate that the citizens have to resort to this.


Ya, so if the land is stolen from the Mohawk the people who took it are absolved?





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:44 am
 


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The Peguis Band in Manitoba was given 126 million, in compensation for land illegally seized, land that is mostly now Selkirk. Now let's see how they put that money to work, or if it'll be squandered.

It must be added that history backed up their claims as did the courts, unlike Caledonia, and the Band members didn't resort terrorism, unlike the Caledonia Mohawks.


Ya, I'm a lover not a fighter. But don't get any ideas cause I'm a fighter too.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:45 am
 


THEY SOLD IT DONNY........IT WASN'T STOLEN, IT WAS SOLD.

ONTARIO IS DIFFERENT THAN MANITOBA......


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:47 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
What happens, as in the case of the Mohawks, if your grandfathers sold the land off? Any different than my United Empire Loyalist grandfathers selling their land off that was given at the same time for the same reason?

This is not 'treaty' land.

These were land grants given to all those who fought for the British in the American Revolutionary War.

The Mohawks were given land which they in time, sold off.
The United Empire Loyalists were given land, which they in time sold off.

What's the difference? Or is it just a skin colour thing?

Facts are facts and the Mohawks are immigrants just like those Loyal Americans that fled the 13 Colonies.

We have gone over this so many times yet you just can't grasp the facts because they don't suit your agenda.

This is not Manitoba.

This is Ontario with an entirely different history which you quite obviously are ignorant of and are unwilling to learn about.


I have a feeling Donny isn't going to let history get in the way of what he wants.





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:50 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We have gone over this so many times yet you just can't grasp the facts because they don't suit your agenda.


Thanks for telling me that for the 300millionth time.

But if your "facts" were reality then none of the six nations would be recognized under the constitution as original inhabitants of what we now call Canada.

FACT#1 which reduces your argument to moot: All Indians on Six nations land are considered under the Constitution as indigenous people.

Amend that and your point may have some footing. Until then you are FULL OF SHIT even though your point has been made. :roll:





PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:53 am
 


Bodah Bodah:

I have a feeling Donny isn't going to let history get in the way of what he wants.



Actually your history of theivery is all I need to understand that the Mohawk may have a point.

You ever actually own anything that you did not steal from the indigenous people of this country? Legally speaking of course because you got to back you shit up in court because I'm watching you :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:14 pm
 


Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Actually your history of theivery is all I need to understand that the Mohawk may have a point.

You ever actually own anything that you did not steal from the indigenous people of this country? Legally speaking of course because you got to back you shit up in court because I'm watching you :lol:


Actually I own 50 acres in Northern Quebec, bought from natives. Want the location ? So you can claim its yours ?


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