[PublicAnimalNo9]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So given your propensity for double standards could you please explain to me why it's alright for you to judge Stephen Harper when it's not alright for anyone else to judge Theresa Spence and please don't use the race or sex card because it doesn't wash with taxpayer paid politicians, even at the village level?

Like I said before... Steve is my Prime Minister, elected to represent me. I've never been to Attawapiskat, and I doubt you have either. I don't have much to say at all about Alison Redford either for example. I don't think I've said anything as vile toward Steve as you've said about her either. I possibly made fun of his Lego Man hair-do at some point, I'll give you that. Sometimes we see people bitching about people elected outside of their province but it's rare, and its rare that it ever went into an attack unless it was about Dalton McGuinty.

I don't think anything good or bad about Theresa Spence, but I see no positive outcome of making her the scapegoat for everything that doesn't work in the Indian Act.

The difference to me is that you and your pals go on these long rants about her, when apparently she has improved the situation there. You folks blame her for everything that happened prior to her becoming chief. It makes exactly the same sense as blaming Steve for Adscam. But that's not all, count the number of posts that make fun of her weight.

I guess the final straw was the "white race" thing from you. It blows me away that people actually think that way in this day and age.

Biggest problem is that she is a public official paid by the Canadian Taxpayers and whether you've been to Attwipiskat or not is irrelevant. I never voted for nor have I likely been in most of the Constituencies of the MP's in Parliament but, when my tax dollars pays their salary I should have the right to speak out if they act or abuse their power, which is what you seem to do every time the Current PM does anything you don't agree with.

As for blaming her for all the problems with the Indian Act. Show me once where I ever said that? I blame her for the deplorable conditions on the reserve she runs and her claims that she's representing the rest of the Natives in Canada while she's blatantly attempting to blackmail the Government, nothing else.

So had you read my posts you'd have figured out that it's not the rank and file natives I have an issue with, it's the self entitled, corrupt, demigods who run some of the reserves with the expectation of being paid like Donald Trump, treated like Elizabeth the First and catered to continually by the taxpayers of Canada.

Like I said there are a lot of good ones out there like Clarence Louie whom natives should be looking at for examples of how a leader, looks works, and acts.

Instead you and you ilk continue to champion the one leader that seems to embody all that's wrong with the Indian Act and the way that some natives are being led.

And since you're so quick to judge let me remind you that if you're pretty little eyes can only handle the everything neutral term Homo Sapiens, then you'd better put me on ignore because I come from a generation that didn't couch their thoughts in politically correct terms just so people like you could feel good about themselves.

BTW I'm waiting for you to convince the Federal Government and the Natives to change their title from First Nations to First Homo Sapiens so as not to offend your sensibilities.

Wouldn't First Homo Sapiens be Black people?

[Freakinoldguy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Wouldn't First Homo Sapiens be Black people?

Probably but that would most likely offend someone's sensibilities because, unbeknownst to me we no longer anymore have races. I guess I missed the memo or just plain misunderstood it.

It is interesting to note that after thousands of years of evolution marked by a series of physical changes to humans, someone with the simple stoke of a keyboard has undone all that nature intended and made us the exactly the same again.


Kumbaya

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Whoa, let's not get carried away here. I rarely agree with Curt but there really is no race other than
Homo Sapiens sapiens. The concept of race as most use it today has only been around since the 17th century and is a European construct based on White supremacy.
In reality, humans are actually one of the least genetically diverse organisms on the planet, if not THE least, sharing 99.9% of our DNA with each other.

[Freakinoldguy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Whoa, let's not get carried away here. I rarely agree with Curt but there really is no race other than
Homo Sapiens sapiens. The concept of race as most use it today has only been around since the 17th century and is a European construct based on White supremacy.
In reality, humans are actually one of the least genetically diverse organisms on the planet, if not THE least, sharing 99.9% of our DNA with each other.

No offense but Homo Sapiens are a species and race is just a classification system used to define the differences between large groups within that species.

We may almost be genetically identical but owing to mother nature we have numerous physical differences based on thousands of years of evolution.

For ease of identification we have given the animal kingdom a classification system for sub species so, why should homo sapiens be any different?

Although I see your point about race having negative connotations because of the way it was used by certain groups or individuals but until they come up with something better it's still the most effective way of identifying large groups of us by our differences instead claiming we're all identical.

So, until the Gov't stops using it in the census, the police stop using it to describe suspects, the media stops using it to identify people in stories, I'll consider it acceptable and continue to use it to describe ethnic, cultural, religious and social sub groups politically correct or not.

[fifeboy]

Seems like some people are using outdated 19th C. concepts to say that our 19th C. treaties are outdated

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

The difference to me is that you and your pals go on these long rants about her, when apparently she has improved the situation there. You folks blame her for everything that happened prior to her becoming chief. It makes exactly the same sense as blaming Steve for Adscam. But that's not all, count the number of posts that make fun of her weight.

She has not improved the situation there, despite her posturing and 'hunger strike'.

Her actions, and those of her Band highlight a lot of things wrong with the Indian Act...such as the shady election and staffing on the reserve that includes inflated salaries and hiring of her boyfriend to a plum position.

[OnTheIce]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, until the Gov't stops using it in the census, the police stop using it to describe suspects, the media stops using it to identify people in stories, I'll consider it acceptable and continue to use it to describe ethnic, cultural, religious and social sub groups politically correct or not.

Race will always be a part of our society and World. It's a reality. Let's not pretend otherwise.

Although it's warm and fuzzy to thing to say that we're all one big happy family and we're all the 'same', it's just not how the majority of people see the World.

[ShepherdsDog]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Wouldn't First Homo Sapiens be Black people?

Homo sapiens sapiens the is modern man. there is some discussion over the name Homo sapiens, as Homo heidelbergensis is often referred to as Homo sapiens heidelbergensis, and it was around as early as 1.5 million years ago. Scientists figure that they were the ancestors of Homo sapiens sapiens and Homo sapiens neanderthalensis(also Homo neanderthalensis). Anatomically they were almost indistinguishable from modern humans....except for musculature. It's interesting that some scientists have speculated that the neanderthals of western Asia and Europe were fair skinned and had red hair, which is part of their legacy to us. So perhaps genetics does play a tiny part in determining 'racial' differences. Forensics can determine the ethnicity of human remains baaed on DNA, so it's not a completely debunked 19th century theory.

[ShepherdsDog]

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[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Wouldn't First Homo Sapiens be Black people?

Homo sapiens sapiens is who came out of Africa and the term we use for modern humans. There is some discussion over the name Homo sapiens, as Homo heidelbergensis is often referred to as Homo sapiens heidelbergensis, and it was around as early as 1.5 million years ago. Scientists figure that they were the ancestors of Homo sapiens sapiens and Homo sapiens neanderthalensis(also Homo neanderthalensis). Anatomically they were almost indistinguishable from modern humans....except for musculature. It's interesting that some scientists have speculated that the neanderthals of western Asia and Europe were fair skinned and had red hair, which is part of their legacy to us. So perhaps genetics does play a tiny part in determining 'racial' differences. Forensics can determine the ethnicity of human remains baaed on DNA, so it's not a completely debunked 19th century theory.

'Race' is a pointless and outdated division of Homo Sapiens.

The Canidae family has; Canis lupus, Canis latrans, Canis lupus familiaris; and Vulpes including Vulpes vulpes (Wolves, Coyotes, Dogs and Foxes). There are new hybrids of Wolves and Coyotes in Eastern Canada that show us just how our classification systems are also outdated. All of these animals can interbreed, and are distinguished by their muscle structure and skeletal features. But Homo Sapiens have no such differences between us, given a healthy person.

But we would't call a Poodle a different 'race' than a Labrador, because they have different features would we?

As you allude to, Europeans classed humans into 3 'races' from the 3 sons of Noah. Something modern society should abandon as quickly as we abandoned the 'caste and class' systems or serfdom.

As to 'Black' people, since Europeans and Asians are mostly decended from few Africans who went adverturing, we are less diverse genetically from each other than Africans are! Again, pointless to classify ourselves into any smaller groups, just because we are redheads, blonde or brunette.

[ShepherdsDog]

actually there is more genetic diversity between two troops of chimpanzees living 20 miles apart than there is between all of humanity.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

As you allude to, Europeans classed humans into 3 'races' from the 3 sons of Noah.

I did?? Don't think I mentioned anywhere that mythical figures were the basis of race, I said that scientists speculated fair skin and red hair were genetic traits inherited from neanderthals. European and Western Asian DNA is 1 - 4 % neanderthal, while Africans and East Asians have pretty well no trace. I don't ascribe to the idea of one 'race/ethnic group' being superior to another. There are only superior individuals, and they can be found everywhereanywhere.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

As you allude to, Europeans classed humans into 3 'races' from the 3 sons of Noah.

I did?? Don't think I mentioned anywhere that mythical figures were the basis of race, I said that scientists speculated fair skin and red hair were genetic traits inherited from neanderthals. European and Western Asian DNA is 1 - 4 % neanderthal, while Africans and East Asians have pretty well no trace. I don't ascribe to the idea of one 'race/ethnic group' being superior to another. There are only superior individuals, and they can be found everywhereanywhere.

I didn't mean to imply you thought there were any differences, just your statement "So perhaps genetics does play a tiny part in determining 'racial' differences." led me to think you were referring to how Eurpoeans divided humans up by their looks.

And genetics can also tell a person's blood type or hair colour via DNA tests, so 'ethnicity' I think is also a passe notion too. Any group of beings will eventually settle on similar traits if left isolated for a few generations. Doesn't mean they are any different than the rest of us.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But we would't call a Poodle a different 'race' than a Labrador, because they have different features would we?

Yes! In the dog world, we call them breeds. A breed is a specific group of animals. just like race is to humans.

Why do we call one a Poodle and one a Labrador? Shouldn't we just call them all "dogs" and ignore their different features?

[Jabberwalker]

Biggest problem is that she is a public official paid by the Canadian Taxpayers and whether you've been to Attwipiskat or not is irrelevant. I never voted for nor have I likely been in most of the Constituencies of the MP's in Parliament but, when my tax dollars pays their salary I should have the right to speak out if they act or abuse their power, which is what you seem to do every time the Current PM does anything you don't agree with.

As for blaming her for all the problems with the Indian Act. Show me once where I ever said that? I blame her for the deplorable conditions on the reserve she runs and her claims that she's representing the rest of the Natives in Canada while she's blatantly attempting to blackmail the Government, nothing else.

So had you read my posts you'd have figured out that it's not the rank and file natives I have an issue with, it's the self entitled, corrupt, demigods who run some of the reserves with the expectation of being paid like Donald Trump, treated like Elizabeth the First and catered to continually by the taxpayers of Canada.

Like I said there are a lot of good ones out there like Clarence Louie whom natives should be looking at for examples of how a leader, looks works, and acts.

Instead you and you ilk continue to champion the one leader that seems to embody all that's wrong with the Indian Act and the way that some natives are being led.

And since you're so quick to judge let me remind you that if you're pretty little eyes can only handle the everything neutral term Homo Sapiens, then you'd better put me on ignore because I come from a generation that didn't couch their thoughts in politically correct terms just so people like you could feel good about themselves.

BTW I'm waiting for you to convince the Federal Government and the Natives to change their title from First Nations to First Homo Sapiens so as not to offend your sensibilities.[/quote]
Wouldn't First Homo Sapiens be Black people?


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The genetic record indicates that black Africans are the newest form of Homos Sapiens. Europeans, Asians are an older, "Middle" version and Australian Aborigines, New Guineans and some of the inhabitants of the southern tip of India represent the oldest living versions of our species.