[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

"dog cooking lound eye"

Dutch people eat dog?

The culture into which you have moved isn't going to see you as a foreigner or an immigrant. Canada is still very euro centric in their views...or at least most Canadians are. You may self identify as an immigrant, but because of how you look there will be preconceptions... or no preconceptions actually, unless you insist on wearing traditional dutch clothes all the time and speak heavily accented English. Do the Dutch look at Belgians who move to the Netherlands as immigrants?

Sure, when we eat Chinese...

Belgians coming to The Netherlands don't have the visa hell immigrants to Canada go through. Regardless of where they are from. They also do not have to deal with skill-qualification issues, they are just Europeans with a funny accent.

Immigrants to Canada from any other country but the USA HAVE to do with that BS, whether you are white, black, Muslim or Jew. then there is the "You have no Canadian work experience"-thing that EVERY immigrant runs into.

I think his point is that you fit in to the Euro-centric population and would not, on the surface, be seen as an immigrant - even in the orange string bikini and wooden clogs and with the awkwardly obscene piece of metworst in your hand.

[Brenda]

Leverworst, Gunny, get your facts straight

No, on the surface, we're not. Doesn't mean that we are not immigrants, and it doesn't mean we complain about every little Canadian detail. We ARE immigrants.

If you mean "refugees who come here and go on welfare", then say so. If you mean "immigrants", you mean everyone who was born, or whose parents were born, outside of Canada.

[Lemmy]

Brenda Brenda:

If you mean "immigrants", you mean everyone who was born, or whose parents were born, outside of Canada.

Nope. I'm not an immigrant and both my parents were born outside of Canada.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

If you mean "immigrants", you mean everyone who was born, or whose parents were born, outside of Canada.

Nope. I'm not an immigrant and both my parents were born outside of Canada.

You're "second generation".

Does that feel good?

[Lemmy]

Nope. I'm first generation. My children and my siblings' children are the second generation of Canadians in my family.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Nope. I'm first generation. My children and my siblings' children are the second generation of Canadians in my family.

Nope, you are second generation immigrant. Get used to it.

[Lemmy]

Nope. Get your terminology right, Dutchie.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Nope. Get your terminology right, Dutchie.

Nope. Your parents immigrated here, so you are second generation, whether you like it or not.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Honestly, in a democracy, people should be free to be ungrateful assholes. Forcing them to participate in a ritual whose meaning is completely lost on them doesn't honour the veterans or anyone else and doesn't right any wrongs. At the end of the day, these people are going to believe what they believe and forced participation isn't going to change that.

It's no different than forcing someone to say "I love you"...someone who says it against their will isn't in any way similar to someone who says it because they actually feel it. And the coercion probably guarantees that they never will beleive it.

Unfortunately your likely right and the only way we're ever going to get these kids to understand what Remembrance Day stands for and why we conduct it is to start educating them in how Canada was formed, why we fought and the sacrifices people made to ensure our and other nations freedoms.

All topics that would likely have the politically correct weenies going absolutely apoplectic and fighting it tooth and nail.

Otherwise Remebrance Day will likely end up becomming just another Military Ceremony that just happens to be open to Civilians which, will be a sad ending to our Countries Legacy of honouring our fallen warriors.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Honestly, in a democracy, people should be free to be ungrateful assholes. Forcing them to participate in a ritual whose meaning is completely lost on them doesn't honour the veterans or anyone else and doesn't right any wrongs. At the end of the day, these people are going to believe what they believe and forced participation isn't going to change that.

It's no different than forcing someone to say "I love you"...someone who says it against their will isn't in any way similar to someone who says it because they actually feel it. And the coercion probably guarantees that they never will beleive it.

Unfortunately your likely right and the only way we're ever going to get these kids to understand what Remembrance Day stands for and why we conduct it is to start educating them in how Canada was formed, why we fought and the sacrifices people made to ensure our and other nations freedoms.[/quote] What makes you think that that is not done?

[Lemmy]

Brenda Brenda:

Nope. Your parents immigrated here, so you are second generation, whether you like it or not.

So, if my dad was a dentist, I'd be a second generation dentist, even if I wasn't a dentist at all? ESL, sister, just breathe deep and think about it in Dutch.

The only way a person could be a second generation immigrant is if they, like their parents, immigrated somewhere. So if I pull up shop and immigrate to Rwanda, I'd be a second generation immigrant. Otherwise, I'll remain a first generation Canadian.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

Nope. Your parents immigrated here, so you are second generation, whether you like it or not.

So, if my dad was a dentist, I'd be a second generation dentist, even if I wasn't a dentist at all? ESL, sister, just breathe deep and think about it in Dutch.

The only way a person could be a second generation immigrant is if they, like their parents, immigrated somewhere. So if I pull up shop and immigrate to Rwanda, I'd be a second generation immigrant. Otherwise, I'll remain a first generation Canadian.

So who are the ones bitching according to this thread?
It sure as hell ain't me, and you ain't an immigrant...

[Lemmy]

Hey now! Just because I'm not smart enough to understand the discussion going on here doesn't mean I don't know what "immigrant" means.

[Brenda]

This is what my 12 year old (grade 7) made in school (and yes, she drew it herself, and found she messed up on the medals... I disagree with her )

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Too many new 'Canadians' don't give a fuck about what happened in Canada and to Canadians before they landed at the airport.

I call bullshit here.

For whatever reason this has turned into a dump on immigrants thread and your decision to hop in the bandwagon is particularly ironic given the ire you show on the comparable dump on the cops threads that show up from time to time.

As I said earlier, Esquimalt has a population if around 16000 and I bet about 14000 of those won't be at the cenotaph this Sunday.

Guess I'll hop on the knee jerk immigrants don't give a shit about Canada bandwagon and guess those 14000 are immigrants.

Unbelievable.

Where I live is very diverse. I see 99% white faces in the crowd at every Remembrance Day.

I'm not making this an anti-immigrant thing. I'm saying we are not doing a good job in educating newcomers about our heritage and history.