[PublicAnimalNo9]

ASLplease ASLplease:

you are willing to give up your rights because someone has convinced you that this is the only way to enforce the laws with the bad guys?

I had NO idea I had the right to NOT be pulled over while being privileged to drive on public roads.

[ASLplease]

it was a law that was written long ago, i think it had to do with any random stop check including when you are out for a sunday stroll with your family in the park.

[Gunnair]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

ASLplease ASLplease:

you are willing to give up your rights because someone has convinced you that this is the only way to enforce the laws with the bad guys?

I had NO idea I had the right to NOT be pulled over while being privileged to drive on public roads.

The troll is harmless, maybe even cute in its massive ignorance, but it's eating a lot these days.

[EyeBrock]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Having had my body seriously fucked up by a drunk driver, I'll happily get pulled over every day and 3 times on Sunday! I don't drive drunk and I don't drive around with self-incriminating shit in my car.
Hell, when I had my '71 Mach 1 and Chevelle SS, the cops were always pulling me over to take a peek under the hood. I knew why they wanted a peek under the hood and they knew I knew. I could'a got all self-righteous about it, protesting why they pulled me over but that just got your licence jotted down for further "harrassment"

Oh and one last thing. I've been pulled over by the police more than enough times. I was always clean and legal and they never decided to search my trunk or the rest of my car for that matter.

How about this question. You get stopped at a spot check. The cops shines his flashlight into the backseat area and finds something incriminating. Is that illegal search and siezure?

Ruez is right and there is very recent case law out of that. A flashlight merely illuminates what would be on plain view in better light. BCCA I believe. I just read the synopsis the other day.

[ASLplease]

Besides, Light has a particle/wave duality to it. It could be argued that shining a light into a dark space isnt invasive at all.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

Just about all of them, these days it seems. I love North Vancouver where I live, but I am really getting sick of the endless new laws and taxes, and the sheep-like attitude of people as the government just gets bigger and more intrusive.

I'm not some tin-foiler decrying some kind of police state. I'm just saying that at some point you gotta say to to the gov't, "I don't need to be any safer, but thanks for caring. Now how about putting a little effort into staying out of my life instead of constantly trying to butt into it."

[Yogi]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

Just about all of them, these days it seems. I love North Vancouver where I live, but I am really getting sick of the endless new laws and taxes, and the sheep-like attitude of people as the government just gets bigger and more intrusive.

I'm not some tin-foiler decrying some kind of police state. I'm just saying that at some point you gotta say to to the gov't, "I don't need to be any safer, but thanks for caring. Now how about putting a little effort into staying out of my life instead of constantly trying to butt into it."

I really do think along the same lines Zip. However, I view laws such as 'random checks' as an inconvenience for few, for the safety of all!

[ASLplease]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

Just about all of them, these days it seems. I love North Vancouver where I live, but I am really getting sick of the endless new laws and taxes, and the sheep-like attitude of people as the government just gets bigger and more intrusive.

I'm not some tin-foiler decrying some kind of police state. I'm just saying that at some point you gotta say to to the gov't, "I don't need to be any safer, but thanks for caring. Now how about putting a little effort into staying out of my life instead of constantly trying to butt into it."

well said

[ASLplease]

if they want random checks, then set up a stop check and stop Everyone. At least, this doesn't have the smell of discrimination or harassment.

[QBC]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

Just about all of them, these days it seems. I love North Vancouver where I live, but I am really getting sick of the endless new laws and taxes, and the sheep-like attitude of people as the government just gets bigger and more intrusive.

I'm not some tin-foiler decrying some kind of police state. I'm just saying that at some point you gotta say to to the gov't, "I don't need to be any safer, but thanks for caring. Now how about putting a little effort into staying out of my life instead of constantly trying to butt into it."

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curious, what other liberties are Canadians willing to surrender in exchange for a little transitory safety?

Possibility that I might get pulled over and given a breathalyzer if I drive in BC.

Will be stopped, searched, and possibly have very personal images taken of me if I fly in Canada and the US.

Hmmmmm.....

Go to Arizona and...



Yeah, Canada is the only one losing their liberties...

[ASLplease]

I think someone already said it, but before they start breathalyser testing people at random, why don't they stiffen the penalties for drunk drivers? Why don't they change the criminal code so that they can get a higher conviction rate? What is the rate of re-offenders? Why don't we force them to blow before go? There's lots that can be done without treading all over the rights of the average citizen.

[Yogi]

ASLplease ASLplease:

I think someone already said it, but before they start breathalyser testing people at random, why don't they stiffen the penalties for drunk drivers? Why don't they change the criminal code so that they can get a higher conviction rate? What is the rate of re-offenders? Why don't we force them to blow before go? There's lots that can be done without treading all over the rights of the average citizen.

Virtually, every law could be perceived or perhaps proven to be 'treading all over the average citizens rights'!

Laws are not necessary where common sense prevails.

[stratos]

Proculation Proculation:

If you drive erratically, they can stop you but they can't ask for a breathalizer test. They need more evidences.

If you've ever read my posts you know I was an MP in the army and worked corrections after that. With that said I found some interesting things in the criminal codes particularly for Eratic driving. Going the speed limit on a cloudy day can be eratic driving. Clouds in the sky limit the sight distance thus you should slow down. By driving the legal limit you are driving eratic. Not useing ones turn singnal is not just illegal but falls under eratic driving. Hesitating at a light when it turns green or taking off imediately, either way is eratic driving. There are tons of more examples basicly anything you do while driving can be considered eratic driving. Now this is for the state of texas only I dont know about any other states or Canada but down here that term scares the hell out of me when used to given reason for a new law.

So you all fine for being pulled over for eratic driving? Then being told you must take a breath test?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

stratos stratos:

Proculation Proculation:

If you drive erratically, they can stop you but they can't ask for a breathalizer test. They need more evidences.

If you've ever read my posts you know I was an MP in the army and worked corrections after that. With that said I found some interesting things in the criminal codes particularly for Eratic driving. Going the speed limit on a cloudy day can be eratic driving. Clouds in the sky limit the sight distance thus you should slow down. By driving the legal limit you are driving eratic. Not useing ones turn singnal is not just illegal but falls under eratic driving. Hesitating at a light when it turns green or taking off imediately, either way is eratic driving. There are tons of more examples basicly anything you do while driving can be considered eratic driving. Now this is for the state of texas only I dont know about any other states or Canada but down here that term scares the hell out of me when used to given reason for a new law.

So you all fine for being pulled over for eratic driving? Then being told you must take a breath test?

Let me repeat myself. I'll happily get pulled over every day and 3 times on Sunday. Driving is a privilege, not a right.